Saturday, August 19, 2023

Mike LeBlanc's post and the summary



Mike LeBlanc's post can be found at :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2980791382165767/posts/3611942555717310




Here is Mike LeBlanc's post and the summary follows :




Mike LeBlanc/Norman has some concerns regarding the accidental photo of the ceiling and

has made a post and let us discuss his post since it is part of this timeline.




Mike LeBlanc states :This is what I believe about the ceiling photo. Just my theory.

My comment : What is a theory in legal terms : its a set of propositions, assumptions or facts attempting to

provide a rational explanation of cause and effect of an observed phenomenon.

In other words, scenarios can be presented as long as the presenter believes in what he says

without any direct evidence and when I say

Jodi might have said the most horrific thing to Travis after being body-slammed, isn't that the same ?

presenting a belief without any direct evidence even though

indirect evidence tells us that Jodi did at (least at) one time threaten to tell on Travis that

he was a pedophile but

she said on the stand she regretted telling him that since

the boy in the picture had his underwear on and was not naked.

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment :

This scenario (theory) leaves us with more questions than answers.

Firstly, why did Mike LeBlanc choose this timeline (5:30:30) instead of 5:29:20 when

we can see Travis either staring at Jodi or looking at her.

Between 5:29:20 and 5:30:30, what were they doing ?

Since we do not seem to see any photos taken in that 1 minute 10 second timespan.

Was Travis staring at her or looking at her during the 1 minute 10 second timespan.

What was Jodi telling Travis in that 1 minute 10 second timespan?

Why was Travis staring at Jodi or getting angry at the 5:29:20 timeline ? and

opponents would say Travis had fear in his eyes but I doubt it since

everything we know about Travis, he was fearless as cited by his own brother when his brother stated that

Travis took many risks and because of that was involved in many accidents

( revealed at the sentencing phase of the trial ).

During the 1 minute 10 second timespan did Travis’ angry look increase and if so, why ?

We have evidence of Travis’ anger from 5/26/08 when he implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive while

Jodi was the one trying to calm him down by saying he “was a light to the world “.

If the defense had brought in the right hypnotherapist,

could the hypnotherapist have helped Jodi remember

what was said during that 1 minute 10 second timespan ? in which

Travis looked angry at the 5:29:20 timeline.

Could the hypnotherapist (in helping Jodi remember what she told Travis during

the 1 minute 10 second time period between 5:29:20 through 5:30:30) have revealed to the jury

the following:

Jodi telling Travis that she was moving on with Ryan Burns and that

their sex therapy sessions would have to end and that

she could no longer role-play a schoolgirl that he wanted (at least since the fall of 2007).

Could the hypnotherapist have convinced at least one juror that

the 1 minute 10 second conversation between Jodi and Travis (5:29:20-5:30:30) revealed

Jodi’s lack of motivation to kill Travis due to the following:

Jodi giving up on the idea of marrying Travis after


having seen Travis with the picture of a little boy in January 2008

2. Jodi wrote in her journal in 2/2008 that she could not marry Travis.

3. Role-playing a school girl in 2/2008 to help Travis with his issues which

started ( at least ) in the fall of 2007 when

he told Jodi to go to the store, dressed as a schoolgirl and

Jodi wanted to help him with his issues (at least till 6/2008) so that

Travis would not go after a real school girl.

4. Jodi telling her sister ( not investigated by the defense team ) that Ryan Burns was her soul-mate

5. Jodi tells her sister ( not investigated by the defense team ) that she planned to marry Ryan Burns.

6. Jodi having hour long conversations with Ryan Burns at least four to five times a week

( not investigated by the defense team ).

7. Jodi moving over a 1000 miles away from Travis ( back to Yreka ) showing lack of obsession since

obsession would involve taking two jobs (even as a stripper ) in order to be near Travis.

8. Travis admitting to Jodi on 5/26/08 that he was sexually addicted to her and so

why would Jodi want to kill Travis when he was willing to have sex with her, proved by

the 6/4/08 sex even though he was going to be with Mimi in a few days

9. Travis clearly stated on 5/26/08 that all Jodi wanted him was for sex, in other words,

jodi was not in love with Travis on 5/26/08.

10. Even though Travis implied on 5/26/08 that Jodi did not deserve to be alive, Jodi was the one

trying to calm down a raging Travis by saying he was “ the light to the world”, and

why the calm, peacemaking Jodi ? could it be because

she knew she was going to see Ryan Burns in a few days and that trying her best to keep Travis calm was

the best way to move on with Ryan Burns.

So could the hypnotherapist have convinced at least one juror that

the 1 minute 10 second conversation between Jodi and Travis on 6/4/08 ( 5:29:20-5:30:30) showed

no motive for Jodi to want to kill Travis as a result of

the 10 reasonable points above that point away from a motivation to kill .

And now after having discussed the time period ( 5:29:20-5:30:30), we can now discuss

Mike LeBlanc's post where he starts at 5:30:30.

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment : As discussed previously, its obvious by 5:30:30 that Travis was possibly furious at Jodi for

wanting to end their sex therapy sessions since

she was moving on with Ryan Burns and

is that the reason Jodi took an accidental photo of Travis ( lower torso ) at the 5:30:30 timeline because

Travis might have shouted at her ?

We are still at the following statement made by Mike LeBlanc,

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment : Notice Mike stated that he believes Jodi had a gun on Travis while

he sat in the shower stall (not due to direct evidence but the indirect evidence that there was a gun available ).

If what Mike is trying to convey to us is that Jodi wanted Travis in the shower because

it would have been easier to clean up the DNA if Travis was shot in the shower but notice that

there were times in the shower when Travis’ back was towards Jodi during the following periods:

5:22:16 - 5:22:21 : 5 seconds

5:22:46 - 5:23:19 : 33 seconds

for a total of 38 seconds and since

Travis was not shot during those 38 seconds while his back was towards Jodi, could it be because

there was no plan to shoot Travis in the shower ?

Back to what Mike LeBlanc stated,

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

Comment : From what Mike is saying, he seems to imply that

there was planning even before Travis got in the shower since

according to Mike, Jodi already had the gun nearby ( probably in her pocket since it was a toy-looking gun or

her back waistband ).

So why did Jodi not use the gun during the 38 seconds when Travis’ back was towards Jodi ? or

was there no plan to use the gun ?

Back to Mike LeBlanc’s statement:

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment : According to Mike, Jodi wanted Travis to be in the most vulnerable position

before shooting him with the implication that

Jodi was so very fearful of Travis’ strength and ferocity, after all, Travis did say his worst is worse and

his fury cannot be stopped, right people ?

Let us assume Mike is correct and Jodi wanted Travis to be sitting in the shower with his legs crossed

in order to get Travis in the most vulnerable position and so , we have the following questions:

Why go after a powerful, ferocious Travis with a toy-looking gun ?

2. Why just one shot ?

3. Why would anybody try to shoot with just one hand and not with two hands ? unless

the shooter is a professional.

4. In the history of criminal cases did the defendant use both a gun and camera in order to shoot the plaintiff ?

5. If there was a plan to shoot a powerful, ferocious Travis, Jodi would have practiced at least

for a few hours with the gun and if so,

in the history of criminal cases, did the gun malfunction after the defendant had practiced with it ?

6. According to the prosecutor, Travis was able to stand after being allegedly stabbed in the shower and if

Travis did get out of his vulnerable position, what happened to the fear that

Jodi had about the powerful, ferocious Travis ?

Why would she continue the attack once Travis was not in his vulnerable position ? and if

she did have the capacity to attack Travis in a non-vulnerable position, the question goes back to

why did she not shoot Travis during the 38 seconds when his back was towards Jodi in the shower stall ?

7. Why the accidental photo of the lower torso ? if

the intention was to shoot Travis while in a vulnerable position ( with his legs crossed ) and so ,

why not put the camera down ? before taking the alleged shot ?

So once again,

why have the camera in hand when Travis was already in a vulnerable position and the gun was at hand ?

So did Jodi actually have a gun in hand while having the camera in her right hand ? or

is there a better explanation for the accidental photo ?

Could the defense team have done their job by bringing in a hypnotherapist to

help Jodi remember the event leading up to the accidental photo of Travis' lower torso ?

and the most likely explanation being

a sudden turn of events in which Travis might have shouted at Jodi when she might have told Travis that

she was moving on with Ryan Burns and their sex therapy sessions would have to end.

Back again to what Mike said.

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment : Mike seems to imply that the only way Travis could have sat in the shower is if

Jodi had the camera in her hand and not the gun only and if so, why ?

Is Mike trying to imply that

if Jodi just had the gun in her hand and not the camera, he would have lunged at Jodi ? and if that is the case,

it seems to conform to Jodi's testimony when she said Travis lunged at her when she had the gun in her hand.

Back to what Mike said.

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment: As i said before, Mike seems to imply that

Jodi was extremely afraid of Travis’ strength and ferocity ( resulting in

the extreme need to get Travis in a vulnerable sitting position with legs crossed in the shower stall)

probably because

Travis said

his worst is worse and

his fury cannot be stopped and

he was a sociopath and

he was evil lurking in the shadows ( to the Hughes ) and

he wanted to beat up Abe and

other characteristics witnessed by people and Jodi (which was not investigated by the defense team ):

his past pattern of violence as a kid ( frequently getting into fist fights),

his temper ( witnessed by people on the stand ),

his blood thirst in hosting UFC fights,

his rape fantasies,

his bondage/master-slave fantasies,

his arrogance in wanting Jodi to please him anyway he chooses,

his use of degrading names, especially to Jodi,

his attitude that some people did not have souls

( since its easier to hurt people physically and emotionally if they did not have souls,

corroborated by the Hughes when they said he “gutted” girls ),

his statutory rape fantasies,

his joking about beating a woman to death,

his joking about beating women to keep them in line,

joked about whom he had to kill due to his tires being slashed

( not knowing who did it since apparently Travis had numerous enemies ,

especially when the Hughes said he “gutted” girls)

and because Travis was into

MMA ( mixed martial arts ),

boxing ( testified to in court when Travis’ friend said that Travis had a powerful punch ),

wrestling,

intense cycling,

intense exercise,

weight lifting

and the pitiful defense hardly investigated either Jodi’s life or Travis’ life.

Back to what Mike said.

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment:

Notice Mike used the word “believe” , meaning,

there is no direct evidence that can point to Jodi having a gun and a camera at the same time.

What makes Mike think that Jodi had a gun and camera at the same time ?

Indirect evidence tells us that a gun was available.

Indirect evidence also tells us that there was a camera available.

But there is no direct evidence to show that a gun and camera were in Jodi’s hands at the same time.

So for Mike to put the gun and camera in Jodi’s hand at the same time,

he would have to “read Jodi’s mind” and

that is what Mike meant by the word “believe”.

Back to what Mike stated:

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.




My comment: In order for the photo at the 5:30:30 timeline to have been taken,

its hard to conceive that Travis would still be crossing his legs as he saw Jodi allegedly producing the gun

from either her pocket or back waistband.

So we have to assume, if what Mike is believing is correct,

the gun must have been produced after the photo at the 5:30:30 was taken and if so,

that could explain the lower torso photo since

she is trying to get the gun from her pocket or back waistband but the question is , since

Travis is already in a vulnerable position, sitting with his legs crossed,

why not put down the camera before allegedly getting the gun out ?

Back to what Mike stated.

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment:

We have analyzed Mike’s statement ( above ) for the past week or so.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hand at the time 5:30:30 or

as Mike stated, around that time.

What are the indications that Jodi did not have both the gun and knife at around 5:30:30 ?

If the gun was being produced without Travis knowing about it,


then we can explain his legs being crossed and

Travis being in a relaxed but very vulnerable position,

so we can rule out that the gun was visible to Travis at 5:30:30 due to the relaxed position Travis was in.

2. So if Jodi’s intention was to produce the gun while Travis was in the most vulnerable position,

why did she not put the camera down before 5:30:30 ? since

guns have to be held by both hands unless the shooter is a professional.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in hand at around 5:30:30 ?

Back to what Mike stated:

Mike LeBlanc stated: The last photo 5:30:30 was Travis sitting down in the shower.

I believe Jodi had a gun in the left hand, the camera in the right hand around this time.

My comment : So according to Mike, he just believes that Jodi had a gun and

camera at the same time around 5:30:30 ( meaning, it's his belief without any direct evidence ) and

over the past week, we have established that, that is probably not the case and possibly,

no gun was involved around 5:30:30 and the most likely scenario that created

an accidental photo of Travis’ lower torso was due to a

sudden turn of events possibly due to Travis shouting at Jodi for wanting to move on with Ryan Burns for

which there is evidence, which as usual, was not investigated by the defense team.

Mike LeBlanc stated : I believe when Jodi took the 5:30:30 lower half of Travis’s body photo,

at this point Jodi has the camera in right hand, gun in the left hand.

Comment : Notice again, Mike uses the word “believe”, meaning,

there is no direct evidence to support the claim that Jodi had both the gun and camera in hand

at the same time.

As previously stated, when the lower torso of Travis was taken, it could be reasonable to assume that

Jodi was about to produce the gun since

Travis is still in a relaxed position at 5:30:30 but the question still remains.

If Jodi wanted him in a very vulnerable position with his legs crossed,

why not put the camera down at that point ?

why still have the camera in hand and at the same time possibly trying to get the gun from her pocket or

back waistband ?

did Jodi really need the camera even when Travis was in the most vulnerable position with his legs crossed ?

Back to what Mike stated.

Mike LeBlanc stated : I believe when Jodi took the 5:30:30 lower half of Travis’s body photo,

at this point Jodi has the camera in right hand, gun in the left hand.

Comment:

As much as Mike wants to believe what was going on in Jodi’s mind, it's quite obvious that

when the lower torso photo was taken,

a reasonable person would not be able to see Jodi having a camera in one hand and

trying to retrieve a gun with the other, especially when

Travis was already in the most vulnerable position, sitting with his legs crossed in the shower and so

the most probable explanation for the lower torso photo is a sudden turn of events, possibly

Travis shouted at Jodi when she revealed the sex therapy sessions were going to be over

(depicting a little girl in pigtails ) since

she was moving on with Ryan Burns, which sadly the defense team did not care to investigate Jodi or

Ryan’s relationship and

the defense team did not care to bring in a hypnotherapist to find out exactly why

that lower torso photo was taken.

Mike stated : Jodi shoots him in the head around the time of the 5:30:30 lower half of Travis’s body photo.

Comment : If Jodi did produce a gun while holding a camera, it had to be after 5:30:30 since

the 5:30:30 lower torso picture shows a relaxed Travis due to

his legs being crossed and if that is the case,

if Travis saw Jodi producing the gun but before aiming it at Travis,

Travis would have got out of his relaxed position to probably lunge at Jodi when he saw the gun and if so,

how do we explain the 5:31:14 accidental photo of the ceiling,

3 or 4 feet off the ground if Travis lunged at her soon after 5:30:30 ?

If Travis did lunge at her right after 5:30:30 and Jodi allegedly shot Travis right after this time,

what was she doing with the camera in her hand between 5:30:30 and 5:31:14 ? a 44 second time period.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had the camera in her hand for 44 seconds after

having allegedly shot Travis while Travis sat in the shower stall ? and if so, why ?

If Jodi planned to shoot Travis in the shower, why hold the camera for 44 seconds after

having allegedly shot Travis ?

The most probable reason for Jodi holding onto the camera for 44 seconds is Travis was not shot but rather

at 5:30:30, when the lower torso photo of Travis was taken, it was an accidental photo due to

Travis probably shouting at Jodi when

Jodi probably revealed to Travis that their sex therapy sessions (looking like a little girl in pigtails )

would have to end (look at her sad and guilty look in the sex photos on 6/4/08,

probably feeling guilty about being with Travis since she was visiting Ryan Burns later that day ) since

she was moving on with Ryan Burns and so ,

between 5:30:30 and 5:31:14 ( 44 seconds ) Travis was probably raging against Jodi which is

corroborated by the rage messages from Travis on 5/26/08 when

he was implying that

Jodi did not deserve to be alive while

Jodi was trying to calm Travis down by saying he was “ the light to the world” probably because

she knew she was moving on with Ryan Burns and

trying to keep Travis calm was Jodi's way of moving on with Ryan Burns.

Mike stated : It looks like the flash was use in these last couple of shower photos.

So Travis was blinded by the flash.

My comment: Not quite sure what Mike meant by “last couple of shower photos” .

If Mike is talking about the first photo with the alleged flash on,

then we are talking about the photo at the 5:29:20 timeline where

Travis is staring at Jodi while he was probably sitting in the shower..

So if Mike is implying that Jodi wanted to shoot Travis right after 5:29:20 ( the alleged first flash ),

why was Travis not shot right after the alleged flash at 5:29:20 ?

and if he was allegedly shot right after 5:29:20 why are his legs crossed at 5:30:30 and

why the accidental photo of his lower torso at 5:30:30 ? if he was already allegedly shot after 5:29:20 ?

And if Mike is implying that Jodi wanted to shoot Travis right after 5:30:30 (the alleged second flash),

why use the flash on Travis’ lower torso,

if the intention was to flash-blind Travis in order to allegedly shoot him ?

So is there reasonable doubt that Jodi used the flash on the camera to blind Travis at either the 5:29:20 and/or

the 5:30:30 timeline ?

and if there is reasonable doubt, what exactly happened between 5:29:20 and 5:30:30 ?

Mike believes strongly in his conviction of what happened between 5:29:20 and 5:30:30 and that is

Mike believes that Jodi used the flash at either 5:29:20 or 5:30:30 ( 70 seconds later ) or

on both times in order to blind Travis.

The more logical explanation for what happened between 5:29:20 and 5:30:30 conforms more to

what Travis did on 5/26/08 and that was

Travis was probably berating Jodi once she told him starting at 5:29:20 that the sex therapy sessions

(in order to help him with his issues, in which he wanted Jodi to be a “little girl in pigtails”) would have to end

even though he was addicted to Jodi and

this reluctance to continue with the sex therapy sessions can be seen in the sad photos of Jodi’s face taken on

6/4/08 in which

she looks sad, probably because she felt guilty being with Travis since

she was going to be with Ryan Burns that day.

Back to what Mike stated : It looks like the flash was use in these last couple of shower photos.

So Travis was blinded by the flash.

My comment: The fact that Mike believes that the flash was used in order to

allegedly flash-blind Travis shows

what Mike thinks of how much Jodi feared Travis’ strength,

power and

ferocity ( as detailed earlier in this post ) when according to Mike, he implies that

Jodi was not satisfied by Travis being in a very vulnerable position,

sitting on the shower stall floor with his legs crossed but

needed the extra security of flash-blinding Travis.

So if Jodi actually used the flash, why was Travis not shot after the first alleged flash,

right after the 5:29:20 timeline ?

Or if Jodi actually wanted to use the flash again after the 5:30:30 timeline,

why decide to take a photo of the lower torso since

a flash would flash-blind only when aimed at the eye and not the lower torso, right people ?

So according to Mike LeBlanc, when the photo of the lower torso at the 5:30:30 timeline was taken,

Jodi actually flash-blinded Travis even though

in order to flash-blind a person, she would have had to aim the camera flash at his eyes instead of

his lower torso.

If Jodi produced the gun right after the lower torso photo, is it reasonable to think that

Travis would have noticed the gun ( either coming out of her pocket or back waistband ) before

Jodi could aim it ? and if so,

according to Mike LeBlanc, Jodi stood up after taking the lower torso picture and

the motion of standing up while

producing the gun, would have taken at least a second in which a reasonable person could see

Travis lunging at Jodi from his seated position and yet

Jodi allegedly shot Travis only one time even though

he might have been lunging at her as she stood up to allegedly shoot him.

Mike LeBlanc stated : So Jodi believes that does the trick, but 44 seconds later Travis comes to his senses.

Comment: From previous statements (above) ,

Mike believes that Jodi allegedly shot Travis at the 5:30:30 timeline.

Mike does not explain why just one gun shot if Jodi was in a rage.

Mike also is reading Jodi’s mind when he uses the words “Jodi believes” without telling us the reason that

Jodi was holding onto the camera for 44 seconds after the alleged gunshot.

Mike uses the phrase “does the trick”, implying that Jodi was confident she only needed one shot and

also implying that

Jodi was not in a rage but it was a very calculated move, in only wanting to shoot Travis one time.

Mike also is suggesting that Travis was knocked out for 44 seconds and

he came to his senses after 44 seconds.

Mike does not explain why Jodi did not try shooting again, once she realized Travis was not dead,

as he was slowly coming to his senses.

Mike LeBlanc stated : As Travis is coming out of the shower,

the accidental photo ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken.

Comment : If Jodi allegedly shot Travis at the 5:30:30 timeline, according to Mike LeBlanc,

how did Jodi not notice Travis gaining consciousness during the 44 seconds that Mike implies that

Jodi was still holding the camera after having allegedly shot Travis ?

Mike says that Travis is “coming out of the shower” and

what steps need to be taken in order to "come out of the shower" which Jodi must have observed and

here are the steps that allegedly Travis took in "coming out of the shower" :

Gaining consciousness which must have taken at least a few seconds

2. Looking around to see where he was which must have taken another few seconds

3. Trying to get up from a seated position in the shower which must have taken another few seconds

4.. Stepping out of the shower which must have taken at least a second

And while all four steps ( above ) were taking place, does Mike imply that

Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hands and if so,

Mike does not explain why Jodi did not try using the gun during the 44 seconds in which

Travis was taking all fours steps above and

Mike does not explain why Jodi still had the camera in her hand during those 44 seconds.

Back to what Mike LeBlanc stated.

Mike LeBlanc stated : As Travis is coming out of the shower,

the accidental photo ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken.

Comment : Mike clearly implies ( from his previous statements) that

Jodi had the camera in her hand for 44 seconds after

allegedly shooting Travis while he sat in the shower stall.

44 seconds later, the accidental photo of the ceiling was taken.

So the question that Mike does not seem to answer is

why Jodi did not put down the camera after having

allegedly shot Travis and

why Jodi held onto the camera for 44 seconds after allegedly shooting Travis ?

What is a more reasonable explanation for the accidental photo shot of the ceiling ?

The first accidental photo of Travis ( lower torso photo ) was possibly due to

Travis shouting at Jodi.

Remember, earlier in this post we believed that

Jodi had already started to tell Travis at the 5:29:20 timeline ( when Travis was staring at Jodi ) that

she was moving on with Ryan Burns and that is why

she might have had the sad look on her face during the sex photos,

showing a guilty look for being with Travis since

she was seeing Ryan Burns later that day on 6/4/08.

The accidental photo of the ceiling does conform to Jodi’s testimony when she said

she dropped the camera, possibly when

she tried standing ( since kneeling for a period of time might have hurt her knees) while

Travis was possibly shouting at her during the 5:31:14 timeline

( which resulted in the accidental dropping of the camera and the accidental photo of the ceiling ) and

when did the shouting start ?

Possibly, Travis started shouting at her starting at the 5:30:30 timeline, since, as stated above

Jodi started to tell Travis about moving on with Ryan Burns at the 5:29:20 timeline.

Mike LeBlanc stated : If you look at the photo,

you can see it was taken more then a couple of feet off the ground, and farther away from the shower.

I noticed that during the trial, It looked to be a problem for the camera drop.

The photo could not have been taken like Jodi says, between dropping it in front of the shower and the tub.

Someone did some calculations on camera position and determined

it was 4 feet from the shower and 3 feet off the ground.

Comment : Jodi does not tell us about the position she was in when the camera was dropped.

If you listen to her testimony, she does not say that the camera dropped while she was kneeling.

If Travis shouted at her or if Jodi was tired of kneeling ( as previously discussed ),

Jodi might have momentarily stood up before the camera dropped and

the accidental photo of the ceiling was taken at the 5:31:14 timeline.

Mike LeBlanc continues by stating: Jodi freaks.

Comment: Up to this point in Mike’s scenario as he tries to read Jodi's mind and

according to Mike’s implication, Jodi is allegedly very calculating but at the same time,

extremely afraid of Travis’ strength, power and ferocity ( as detailed previously ) and

that is why implied by Mike,

Jodi allegedly wanted Travis in the most vulnerable position possible, which was,

sitting in the shower stall with his legs crossed.

Right after the 5:31:14 timeline, according to the implication by Mike,

Travis is no longer in an extremely vulnerable position as he allegedly stands and

steps out of the shower and so, its understandable for Mike to say that

Jodi freaks since

freaking out would indicate that Travis was possibly looking ferocious at this point in time since

he was allegedly shot by Jodi.

So even though Jodi freaks out according to Mike and

since Mike gives the impression that Jodi is extremely afraid of Travis’ strength, power and ferocity,

he does not explain why Jodi does not run out ? since

Travis is no longer in the vulnerable position that Jodi allegedly wanted Travis to be in.

So far, we notice in Mike LeBlanc’s post, Mike not once used the word “rage” or

its equivalent or any implication of “rage” but rather

Jodi is depicted as possibly being cold and calculating and yet

when Travis stepped out of the shower, Mike will still not depict Jodi as rageful but rather

Mike uses the word “freak” (out) as in Jodi possibly being in a state of panic and if so,

why would a planner panic when

she had time to see Travis coming out of his state of consciousness during the 44 seconds between the

alleged gun shot of Travis (as he sat in the shower stall) and

the photo of the ceiling which apparently was done accidentally ?

The only reason for the panic is if Travis got to Jodi within 3 seconds of gaining consciousness and if so,

why did Jodi not run ? since apparently

a ferocious Travis coming at Jodi within 3 seconds of gaining consciousness clearly showed that

Travis was not in the vulnerable position that Jodi allegedly wanted Travis in and

the vulnerable position Jodi allegedly wanted

Travis in was in a sitting position in the shower with his legs crossed and that position,

according to Mike's implication,

was the only way Jodi was going to allegedly shoot Travis.

Mike LeBlanc ends his post with the following : Jodi is backing away to the 4 foot from the shower area,

then accidental photo of ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken.

Some how the button on the camera was pushed at that point.

This would leave the camera in the vicinity of the hallway where it needs to be for

the hallway photos 62 seconds later, as

Jodi runs for the knife, and not next to the tub where she said she dropped the camera.

My comment :

In Mike's final words in his post, he does not explain the following:

(1) Why would Jodi freak out ? if it took time for Travis to come out of consciousness,

look around to see where he was, slowly get up and then step out of the shower

(2) Why would Jodi freak out ?

if she was holding onto the camera for at least 44 seconds between the time of the alleged shooting of Travis

and the accidental photo of the ceiling

(3) If Jodi did freak out, why did she not run since

Travis was no longer in the vulnerable position that she wanted Travis to be in because

her alleged plan (as implied by Mike) was to

only shoot Travis when he was at his most vulnerable position

(seated in the shower stall with his legs crossed ) due to

her great fear of Travis' strength, power and ferocity as implied by Mike.




Continuing Mike's final words on his post.

Mike LeBlanc ends his post with the following : Jodi is backing away to the 4 foot from the shower area,

then accidental photo of ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken.

Some how (somehow) the button on the camera was pushed at that point.

This would leave the camera in the vicinity of the hallway where it needs to be for

the hallway photos 62 seconds later, as Jodi runs for the knife, and not

next to the tub where she said she dropped the camera.

Continuing from above, in Mike's final words in his post, he does not explain the following:

Read questions 1 through 3 above and now to question 4

(4) The question for Mike is, if Jodi was freaking out before the 5:31:14 timeline,

how did she suddenly become cold and calculating at the same time, when Mike used the phrase

“Jodi is backing away” with the implication Jodi was not freaking out anymore ?

(5) Why the accidental photo of the ceiling at the 5:31:14 timeline when according to Mike,

Travis was allegedly shot at the 5:30:30 timeline, 44 seconds earlier.

Mike does not explain why Jodi held onto the camera for 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis ?

(6) Since Mike has implied in his post that Jodi had to use the camera in order to get Travis into his

most vulnerable position ( and the position being, sitting in the shower with his legs crossed ) in order to

allegedly shoot Travis but

Mike does not explain the need for the camera after Travis was allegedly shot at the 5:30:30 timeline and

why was Jodi still holding the camera 44 seconds later ?

when putting the camera down during the 44 seconds would have been easy.

Continuing Mike's final words on his post.

Mike LeBlanc ends his post with the following : Jodi is backing away to the 4 foot from the shower area,

then accidental photo of ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken.

Some how (somehow) the button on the camera was pushed at that point.

This would leave the camera in the vicinity of the hallway where it needs to be for

the hallway photos 62 seconds later, as Jodi runs for the knife,

and not next to the tub where she said she dropped the camera.

Read questions 1 through 6 above and now to question 7 which Mike seemed to not answer :

(7) If Jodi was only interested in attacking Travis as implied by Mike,

why was she still holding the camera for 44 seconds after allegedly shooting Travis ?

((8)) Would holding the camera for 44 seconds after allegedly shooting Travis indicate a state of mind that was not normal and if so, what was Jodi suffering from in those 44 seconds while holding the camera ? Mike does not seem to answer this question.

(9) Mike states that Jodi is backing away but she does not drop the camera if her intention was to continue attacking Travis, so the question is why ? to which Mike does not seem to answer that question.

(10) If Jodi’s intention was to continue attacking Travis, Mike does not say why Jodi took a photo of the ceiling which might indicate an attempt to catch a falling camera and if so,

why attempt to catch a falling camera if her intention was to attack Travis ?

(11) So far Mike has been implying that Jodi was both in a state of panic and at the same time, cold and calculating and it's almost like

Mike cannot make up his mind about Jodi’s state of mind, saying that Jodi “freaks” (out) when Travis came out of the shower and

at the same time, Mike implies Jodi was also cold and calculating as she “backs away” , when Travis was coming out of the shower and then

he says Jodi took an accidental photo of the ceiling but

Mike does not explain why she did that ?

why not just drop the camera ? if her intention was to attack Travis.

How do we know that her intention was not to attack Travis at the point of Travis coming out of the shower, contradicting Mike’s scenario ?

It is due to the camera not taking a picture of the ceiling at ground level since

an attack would have involved the camera taking a picture of the ceiling at ground level as Jodi let the camera fall to the ground, without attempting to catch it.

Conforming to Jodi’s testimony, she was trying to catch the falling camera (when the accidental photo of the ceiling was taken ) and due her trying to catch the camera,

the camera did not break since

the camera fall was broken due to

Jodi trying to catch it and so,

further evidence that Jodi was not planning an attack on Travis since

an attack would have involved a broken camera as she would have let it fall from a great height ( as per the photo of the ceiling taken about four feet off the ground ) if

an attack was planned.

Continuing Mike's final words on his post.

Mike LeBlanc ends his post with the following : Jodi is backing away to the 4 foot from the shower area, then accidental photo of ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken. Some how (somehow) the button on the camera was pushed at that point. This would leave the camera in the vicinity of the hallway where it needs to be for the hallway photos 62 seconds later, as Jodi runs for the knife, and not next to the tub where she said she dropped the camera.

For questions 1 through 11, see above and now to question 12 regarding Mike’s closing statements:

Mike does not explain why Jodi did not use the gun when it must have taken seconds for Travis to regain consciousness and

if the gun did malfunction, in the history of criminal cases, did a planner ever have a gun malfunction since

planning would involve practicing with the gun, right people ?

So its difficult to see how the gun would have malfunctioned if Jodi planned the death of Travis since

planning would have involved at least a day of training on the gun, especially since

grandpa told jodi that the gun looked like a toy gun.

So if the gun looked like a toy gun, why would Jodi not want to practice with the gun before using it ? unless

grandpa’s gun was actually not used as evident by the xray photo showing a regular bullet ( which the defense team did not verify with an expert ) since

the police report showed that grandpa’s gun was fully loaded with hollow points.

Back to Mike's final words on his post.

Mike LeBlanc ends his post with the following : Jodi is backing away to the 4 foot from the shower area, then accidental photo of ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken. Some how (somehow) the button on the camera was pushed at that point. This would leave the camera in the vicinity of the hallway where it needs to be for the hallway photos 62 seconds later, as Jodi runs for the knife, and not next to the tub where she said she dropped the camera.

Comment : Throughout Mike’s post, he seems to say that Jodi was so terrified of Travis’ strength, power and ferocity that

she had to have him in the most vulnerable position before allegedly shooting him and also,

Mike implies that Jodi was cold and calculating and patiently waited for Travis to be positioned in the most vulnerable position, sitting in the shower with his legs crossed before allegedly shooting him.

But then at the end of his post, Mike seems to imply that Jodi suddenly became impulsive and not a planner anymore as she ran for the knife,

a very impulsive move and not a cold and calculating move as Mike seemed to imply throughout the post.

And now to question 13:

(13) Where did Jodi get the knife from ? Mike does not seem to answer that question.

(14) Why get the knife ? when Mike seemed to imply that Jodi was only going to attack when Travis was in the most vulnerable position ( seated with his legs crossed ) but

Travis is not in the most vulnerable position anymore once Travis stepped out of the shower and yet,

according to Mike, Jodi changed her mind and wanted to attack Travis eventhough Travis was not in the most vulnerable position.

(15) Does the change of strategy from planning to panic, suggest reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis ?

(16) According to Mike, Jodi ran for the knife and if so, what was Travis doing when Jodi ran for the knife ?

(16) Did Travis follow Jodi as she was going for the knife ? and if not, why not ?

(17) If the plan was just to use the gun and the gun did not work after the first shot, can we conclude the knife must have been in the kitchen?

Back to Mike's final words on his post.

Mike LeBlanc ends his post with the following : Jodi is backing away to the 4 foot from the shower area, then accidental photo of ceiling photo 5:31:14 is taken. Some how (somehow) the button on the camera was pushed at that point. This would leave the camera in the vicinity of the hallway where it needs to be for the hallway photos 62 seconds later, as Jodi runs for the knife, and not next to the tub where she said she dropped the camera.

We have questions about Mike”s last words on his post and questions 1 through 17 are above and now to question 18.

(18) Mike throughout his post has been implying that Jodi planned the death of Travis and yet he says Jodi “runs for the knife”.

If Jodi planned the death of Travis and she knew the toy-looking gun was not reliable, why did she have to run for the knife ?



she would have had the knife handy if the gun was not reliable , especially if there existed a plan, right people ?




So we now have a summary of the reasonable doubts we can find in Mike’s post and here it is:

(1) Mike says he has a belief about the ceiling photo and therein lies the reasonable doubt that the version Mike gives us can be subject to an alternative explanation or scenario.

(2) According to Mike, Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hand.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hand when

Travis would have noticed her producing the gun from either her pocket or her back waistband before she could aim it ?

and if Travis did spot her producing the gun, he would have lunged at her, right people ?

(3) Mike is implying that there was planning involved in Jodi having the gun and so

if Jodi did have the gun handy, why did Jodi not shoot Travis during the times his back was towards her in the shower?

especially during the following times:

5:22:16 - 5:22:21 : 5 seconds

5:22:46 - 5:23:19 : 33 seconds

for a total of 38 seconds.

Continuation of the summary of the reasonable doubts found in Mike Leblanc’s post.

So far we have summarized 3 reasonable doubts (above) and now to reasonable doubt 4:

(4) According to Mike, Jodi was extremely afraid of Travis' strength, power and ferocity (wanting Travis to be in the most vulnerable position possible, seated with his legs crossed ) and if so,

why did Jodi decide to use a toy-looking gun ? again giving reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis.

(5) If Jodi was extremely afraid of Travis, why just use one shot which Mike does not seem to answer which again gives a reasonable doubt that the shot was part of a plan but

in conforming to Jodi's testimony, most probably an accident.

(6) Why just use one hand to shoot (according to Mike) when only professionals use one hand to shoot ? which again

gives us a reasonable doubt that Jodi's shot was part of a plan.

Continuation of the summary of the reasonable doubts found in Mike Leblanc’s post.

So far we have summarized 6 reasonable doubts (above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 7:

(7) Mike is clear about Jodi wanting to shoot Travis but he does not seem to answer the reason why Jodi ended up with the knife after only one gunshot.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi wanted to shoot Travis ? due to

(a) Only one gunshot when Jodi clearly told the detective that she would have repeatedly shot Travis if planning was on her mind.

(b) not one case in the history of criminal cases, in which the gun malfunctioned since

planning would have involved practice with a reliable gun.

Continuation of the summary of the reasonable doubts found in Mike Leblanc’s post.

So far we have summarized 7 reasonable doubts (above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 8:

((8)) Why would Jodi continue the alleged attack once Travis was not in his vulnerable position ? since

Mike has clearly implied that Jodi would only attack once Travis was in a vulnerable position ( seated with his legs crossed).

So is there reasonable doubt that Jodi wanted Travis in a vulnerable position, possibly because there was no plan to begin with ?

(9) If Jodi did not want Travis in the most vulnerable position, why did she not shoot him when his back was towards her, a vulnerable position he was in for a total of 38 seconds,

again giving reasonable doubt that she had a plan to shoot Travis.

(10) If the intention was to shoot Travis at his most vulnerable position ( seated with his legs crossed ) why then was the accidental photo of the lower torso taken ?

when Jodi could have easily put the camera down before the alleged gun shot, which in turn gives us

reasonable doubt that Jodi wanted to shoot Travis, due to

the accidental photo of the lower torso indicating a major turn of events that was not planned.

Continuation of the summary of the reasonable doubts found in Mike Leblanc’s post.

So far we have summarized 10 reasonable doubts (above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 11:

(11) Mike seems to imply that the only way Jodi was going to shoot Travis is if she had both the gun and camera in her hands at the same time.

Is it because Mike is also implying that if Jodi just had a gun in her hand and not the camera, Travis might have lunged at her and if so why ? which in turn gives us

reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hand which conforms to the history of cases where both the gun and camera in hand (at the same time) is unheard of and at the same time,

what was to stop Travis from lunging at Jodi as soon as he saw the gun but before Jodi could aim it at him ? so once again,

giving us reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hands at the same time.

So far we have summarized 11 reasonable doubts (above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 12:

(12) So for Mike to put the gun and camera in Jodi’s hand at the same time, he would have to “read Jodi’s mind” and

that is what Mike meant by the word “believe”.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in her hand at the time 5:30:30 or as Mike stated, around that time ?

What are the indications that Jodi did not have both the gun and knife at around 5:30:30 ?

If the gun was being produced without Travis knowing about it, then we can explain his legs being crossed and

Travis being in a relaxed but very vulnerable position,

so we can rule out that the gun was visible to Travis at 5:30:30 due to the relaxed position Travis was in.

(13) . So if Jodi’s intention was to produce the gun while Travis was in the most vulnerable position,

why did she not put the camera down before 5:30:30 ? since

guns have to be held by both hands unless the shooter is a professional and so,

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had both the gun and camera in hand at around 5:30:30 ?

So far we have summarized 13 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 14:

(14) Mike stated : Jodi shoots him in the head around the time of the 5:30:30 lower half of Travis’s body photo.

Comment : If Jodi did produce a gun while holding a camera, it had to be after 5:30:30 since

the 5:30:30 lower torso picture shows a relaxed Travis due to

his legs being crossed and if that is the case,

if Travis saw Jodi producing the gun but before aiming it at Travis,

Travis would have got out of his relaxed position to probably lunge at Jodi when he saw the gun and if so,

how do we explain the 5:31:14 accidental photo of the ceiling, 3 or 4 feet off the ground if Travis lunged at her soon after 5:30:30 ?

And so we have reasonable doubt number 14 that Jodi shot Travis at around 5:30:30 due to

the accidental photo of the ceiling at 5:31:14 which does not make sense as to

why Jodi would want to hold the camera for 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis at 5:30:30.

(15) If Travis did lunge at her right after 5:30:30 and Jodi allegedly shot Travis right after this time,

what was she doing with the camera in her hand between 5:30:30 and 5:31:14 ? a 44 second time period.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had the camera in her hand for 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis while Travis sat in the shower stall ? and if so, why ?

If Jodi planned to shoot Travis in the shower, why hold the camera for 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis ? which again

gives us reasonable doubt number 15, that Jodi shot Travis at around 5:30:30.

So far we have summarized 15 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 16:

(16) According to Mike, the flash on the camera was for the purposes of "blinding" Travis.

Is there reasonable doubt that the flash was used to "blind" Travis when the lower torso of Travis was taken at 5:30:30 pm ?.

Travis would not have been blinded since the lower torso picture was taken because

in order to flash-blind, the camera would have to be aimed at Travis' eye and not his lower torso.

(17) Let's assume Travis was flash-blinded at 5:30:30pm and then the gunshot came,

why was Jodi still holding the camera at 5:31:14 pm ( 44 seconds later ) after Travis was allegedly shot ?

giving us reasonable doubt that Travis was flash-blinded or shot at 5:30:30pm.

So far we have summarized 17 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) on Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 18:

(18) Mike seems to suggest that Jodi was not in a rage but was

cold and calculating, for example, allegedly shooting Travis just one time and

Mike says the alleged shot "does the trick", but

Mike does not answer the question as to why Jodi held onto the camera for 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis.

What was Jod waiting for while holding onto the camera for 44 seconds ?

Was Jodi waiting 44 seconds in order to shoot an accidental photo of the ceiling at 5:31:14 ?

Does the 44 second wait time, give us reasonable doubt that Jodi shot Travis at 5:30:30 pm ?

:

So far we have summarized 18 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 19:

(19) Mike does not explain why Jodi did not try shooting again, once she realized Travis was not dead giving us reasonable doubt that

Jodi actually wanted to shoot Travis which explains the one shot instead of multiple shots.

(20) If the gun was unreliable and a second shot was not possible, it again gives us reasonable doubt that there was a plan because

in the history of planning, do we have any cases where the gun malfunctioned ? since

planning would have involved practice with the gun, especially a toy-looking gun, in order to make sure it was reliable.

So if there was an intention for a second shot, it would point more towards a crime of passion rather than a crime of planning or premeditation.

So far we have summarized 20 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 21:

(21) Mike states that the accidental photo of the ceiling was taken with the implication that

Jodi was not prepared for Travis to come out of the shower and so is there reasonable doubt that Jodi is shocked at Travis coming out of the shower ?

If Jodi did shoot Travis in the shower, she had 44 seconds to notice that Travis was not dead and so

why would she be shocked when Travis got out of the shower ?

The most probable explanation ( as Jodi testified ) for

the accidental photo of the ceiling was a dramatic turn of events, that probably resulted in

her trying to catch the falling camera and accidentally pressing the button of the camera as it was falling from 3 or 4 feet off the floor.

So far we have summarized 21 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 22:

(22) Mike seems to imply that Jodi knew exactly what happened five years ago ( in her 2013 testimony in court ) , when I dont remember what happened in detail five days ago.

So is there reasonable doubt that Jodi dropped the camera as detailed in the court testimony (and pointed out by Mike as " a problem " ) ?

Could Jodi have dropped the camera just as she was standing due to

a sudden turn of events when ( possibly ) Travis shouted at her when

she (could have ) revealed to Travis that their sex therapy sessions ( in which she had to role-play a little girl with pigtails ) would be over since

she was moving on with Ryan Burns (a relationship and the events leading up to the camera drop was not investigated by the defense team).

So far we have summarized 22 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 23:

(23) Mike says the camera drop according to Jodi's testimony was "a problem" and the reason Mike says it's a problem is because

Mike is assuming that Jodi said the camera dropped while she was kneeling.

Listen to Jodi's testimony.

At the moment of the drop, Jodi does not say that the camera dropped while she was kneeling and so

giving us reasonable doubt that the camera dropped while she was kneeling.

So far we have summarized 23 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 24:

(24) Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi 'freaks out" at the time Mike indicates when Jodi "freaked out" ? When Mike says Travis came out of the shower after being allegedly shot by Jodi.

When exactly does Jodi freak out ?

A more reasonable explanation for Jodi freaking out would be when Travis picks her up to body-slam her after the accidental photo of the ceiling.

If there was a plan, the accidental photo of the ceiling would have been taken from ground level but not 3 or 4 feet off the ground, indicating an attempt to catch the falling camera since there was no plan since

a plan would have allowed the camera to fall to the ground instead of an attempt to catch it.

"Freaking out" under Mike's scenario would have had Jodi running out of the bathroom since according to Mike,

Jodi's plan was for Travis to be in the most vulnerable position ( seated with his legs crossed ) and

Mike implies Jodi's great fear of Travis if he was not in that vulnerable position and

since Travis was coming out of the bathroom and no longer in the most vulnerable position, Mike's idea of Jodi "freaking out" would be more in line with Jodi running out of the bathroom and not staying.




So far we have summarized 24 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 25:

(25) Mike uses words that describe Jodi as being cold and calculating and at the same time Mike seems to describe Jodi as in a state of panic.

It seems that Mike is trying to read Jodi's mind but

creates reasonable doubt that Jodi was a planner, for example, Mike says Jodi "freaks out" ( a state of panic ) in seeing Travis coming out of the shower stall and at the same time,

Mike says that Jodi is "backing away",(depicting a cold and calculating move) which gives us reasonable doubt that

Jodi was a planner since if there was a plan,

Jodi would have used a reliable gun after having practiced with it, especially if the gun looked like a toy and

if she did use a reliable gun as a planner, Travis would have been shot several times as Jodi described to the detective when she told the detective about a hypothetical plan.

Since there were no multiple shots, it gives us reasonable doubt that Jodi planned to kill Travis because

in the history of cases we have not found a single case when a planner used a unreliable gun since

planning would have involved practice with the gun to make sure it was reliable, especially if it looked like a toy gun which in turn

gives us another indicator of ineffective assistance of counsel when the defense team did not emphasize to the jury that the single shot was an indicator of an accident and not a plan.




So far we have summarized 25 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 26:

(26) Is there reasonable doubt when Mike stated that

Jodi was in a state of panic or as Mike uses the word “freak” (out) as in Jodi possibly being in a state of panic and if so,

why would a planner panic when

she had time to see Travis coming out of his state of unconsciousness during the 44 seconds between the

alleged gun shot of Travis (as he sat in the shower stall) and the photo of the ceiling which apparently was done accidentally ?

The only reason for the panic is if Travis got to Jodi within 3 seconds of gaining consciousness and if so,

why did Jodi not run ? since apparently

a ferocious Travis coming at Jodi within 3 seconds of gaining consciousness clearly showed that

Travis was not in the vulnerable position that Jodi allegedly wanted Travis in and

the vulnerable position Jodi allegedly wanted Travis in was in a seated position in the shower with his legs crossed and that position, according to Mike's implication,

was the only way Jodi was going to allegedly shoot Travis.

So far we have summarized 26 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 27:

(27) Is there a reasonable doubt that Jodi needed the camera (as implied by Mike ) after having allegedly shot Travis at the 5:30:30 pm timeline ( when the lower torso photo of Travis was taken ) ?

why hold onto the camera for 44 seconds between the alleged shooting of Travis and the accidental photo of the ceiling ?

Or could a better explanation of the accidental photo of the ceiling be exactly what Jodi stated in court,

that she was trying to catch a falling camera and Travis was not shot and that is why

Jodi had the camera in her hand for 44 seconds ?

So far we have summarized 27 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 28:

(28) Mike implies that Jodi was holding onto the camera for 44 seconds after allegedly shooting Travis and if so,

is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis ? since

a planner would not have held onto the camera for 44 seconds.

Why would a planner hold a camera for 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis unless

Jodi's state of mind was not that of a planner but rather a mind that was far removed from having a plan.

So far we have summarized 28 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 29:

(29) Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when according to Mike, she had to run for the knife.

Why run for the knife if she had planned to use the knife ? and

if Jodi knew the gun was unreliable, the knife would have been with her, right ? instead of having to run for it.

So far we have summarized 29 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 30:

(30) Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi shot Travis in the shower when Mike clearly states that Jodi was backing away from Travis and not

trying to shoot him again and if she was not trying to shoot Travis again,

could the presence of one shot indicate an accident ?


So far we have summarized 30 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to reasonable doubt 31:

(31) Is there a reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis ? when Mike says in his closing words that Jodi “somehow” took an accidental photo of the ceiling.

Why take an accidental photo of the ceiling when

Mike clearly implied that Jodi had the camera in her hand for a full 44 seconds after having allegedly shot Travis ?

Would a planner hold onto the camera for a full 44 seconds after allegedly shooting Travis ? and

would a planner end up taking an accidental photo of the ceiling when

Jodi had a full 44 seconds to put away the camera after having allegedly shot Travis ?

unless

there was no plan at all and there was no shooting to begin with.



So far we have summarized 31 reasonable doubts ( outlined above) in Mike LeBlanc’s scenario and now to the final reasonable doubts 32 and 33:




(32) Mike clearly states in his posting that Jodi ran for the knife giving us reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis using a knife since if Jodi planned to use the knife, it would have been at hand or nearby instead of her having to “run for it “.



(33) Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi ran for the knife when Mike clearly has implied in his posting that

(a) Jodi was not going to allegedly attack Travis unless Travis was in the most vulnerable position, seated with his legs crossed and


(b) Jodi, according to Mike, freaked out when Travis was no longer in that vulnerable position when

 Travis exited the shower stall after being allegedly shot and since Travis was no longer in the most vulnerable position, why would Jodi want to continue the alleged attack on Travis ?

 by allegedly running for the knife ?

Saturday, November 5, 2022

Summary of the Jodi Arias Case reasonable doubt thread on Facebook

Summary of the reasonable doubt thread


So far, as of 3/27/24, we are still at Day One of the trial at the 33:35 time mark and we have 78 reasonable doubt points.


Day One of the trial is at :


https://www.courttv.com/title/1-arias-prosecution-opening-statements/?fbclid=IwAR3dDUnWRd4eYp8a7MG43MxEpOxf495ABVfo_juZSy96Ow8v_Wvp1mq9Avg

 

During Day One of court, is it reasonable to doubt the state’s case since

(1)  The state itself was not sure whether the death of Travis was planned and so charged Jodi with felony murder ( opening the possibility of self defense as a viable option ) at the 2:00 mark.

(2) The state itself opened the possibility that Travis died while trying to stop Jodi from fleeing due to the 2nd (alternative)  indictment at the 3:00 mark

(3) The state itself opened the possibility that Jodi did not directly cause the death of Travis when

the state introduced another individual into the case (according to the alternative indictment ), meaning,

if the state was so sure that jodi caused travis death, why talk about anybody else, right people ? at the 3:20 mark

(4) If premeditation is so obvious, the prosecutor would have opened his statement to the jury , with the word “premeditation” or a similar word  , so again people,

in the very opening statement by the state, it shows yet again another reasonable doubt as to the state’s case against Jodi at the 3:50 mark,

(5) The prosecutor says he is sure who killed Travis and yet in the indictment he says somebody else might have killed Travis,  giving rise to reasonable doubt on how Travis actually died, again, giving us the option of self-defense at the 3:55 mark.

(6) Right at the opening statements, the prosecutor was either misleading the jury or was not being serious about the case when the prosecutor said that Travis died as a reward for being a good man at the 4:30 mark.

(7) The prosecutor clearly stated that Travis was pursuing Jodi (at the 5:35 mark) to the point when on 6/4/08 Travis was wanting sex from Jodi even though he was going to go on a trip with Mimi in a few days.

So where is the motive to kill ?  in the light of the fact that

Travis himself implied on 5/26/08 that Jodi only wanted him for sex which in turn creates reasonable doubt since why would Jodi want to kill Travis who was willing to have sex with her even when he was going on a trip with Mimi plus

Travis clearly stated on 5/26/08 that he was addicted to Jodi which in turn creates further reasonable doubt that Jodi would want Travis dead when she only wanted sex from Travis as implied by Travis on 5/26/08.

Cases are about reasonable doubt and point 7 above points that out very clearly.

((8)) Could the defense team have convinced the jury to reasonably doubt that Jodi was the one enticing Travis into sex on 6/4/08 ? in the light of

the opening statement when the prosecutor clearly said (at the 8:20 mark) that

Travis was having a sexual relationship with Jodi and the prosecutor in his opening statement said  nothing about Jodi enticing Travis into a sexual relationship.

So once again people, where is the motive to kill when even the prosecutor in his opening statement inadvertently implied that

Jodi was not enticing Travis into a sexual relationship but by implication

indicated that Travis wanted a sexual relationship with Jodi and since

Travis wanted a sexual relationship with Jodi on 6/4/08 even when he was going to be with Mimi in a few days, so where is the motive to kill in  light of the following :

  • Travis clearly implied on 5/26/08 that Jodi only wanted him for sex

2. Travis clearly stated on 5/26/08 that he was addicted to Jodi.

3. Why kill Travis when Jodi only wanted him for sex ? to probably help him with his issues.

(9) At the 8:30 mark , you can hear the prosecutor giving  the reasonable doubt needed regarding Jodi planning the death of Travis on 6/4/08 due to

the prosecutor himself implying that travis did not want Jodi telling anybody about her having sex with Travis on 6/4/08 ( due to Travis’ reputation of maintaining his virginal mormon status )  and

that is one of the many reasons, why Jodi did not call 911 on 6/4/08.

(10)  At the 9:00 mark , the prosecutor again creates reasonable doubt which the defense team failed to point out.

Since the state implied that Jodi had a history of out of control behavior or violence, why was the opening statement more about insecurity and nothing about aggression ? when

the prosecutor clearly stated Jodi was a snoop, a very non-aggressive act which shows insecurity which has nothing to do with aggression which in turn

creates reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the killing of Travis on 6/4/08.

(11) At the 8:45 mark, again, the defense let Jodi down by not pointing out the following :

the prosecutor contributes to reasonable doubt when he clearly implied in his opening statements that Jodi showed no aggression, violence or rage for five months of her relationship with Travis and

the question is, how is that possible if the state at the same time implied that Jodi had a history out of control behavior, aggression and violence all her life, so again, contributing to reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the killing of Travis.

(12) So since the prosecutor clearly stated in his opening statements (at the 10:00 mark) that

Jodi broke up with Travis without any rage, aggression or violence preceding the breakup or after the breakup, can we reasonably doubt

the state’s position that Jodi had a history of violence or aggression or rage in the light of all her previous breakups in which there was no rage, aggression or violence ?

and by implication, can we reasonably doubt that Jodi planned the killing of Travis ?

(13) At the 9:00 mark, the prosecutor’s opening statement regarding Jodi being a “snoop” clearly did not indicate a history of Jodi demanding anything of her past boyfriends which in turn

did not show a history of aggression, violence or rage against her past boyfriends which again shows reasonable doubt as to Jodi’s plan to kill Travis when snooping denotes fear and not aggression or rage or violence.

(14)  At the 9:00 mark again, the prosecutor creates reasonable doubt as to Jodi planning a killing of Travis since when was the last time a killer was a snoop before becoming a killer, anybody ? snooping, again, denotes insecurity, fear and shyness rather than aggression, violence or rage and

killers do not start of as snoops and progress to aggression, violence or rage unless Jodi showed a pattern of snooping before an act of rage, violence or aggression in her past life.

(15) At the 9:40 mark on day one ( link above ) the prosecutor once again in his opening statement  creates reasonable doubt that

Jodi planned the killing of Travis when he clearly said that

Jodi’s reaction to what she saw on Travis’ phone resulted in a mild reaction and in the prosecutor’s own words, Jodi “ did not like “ what she saw instead of

flying into a rage or an act of aggression or violence and so,

what happened to the prosecutor implying throughout the trial that Jodi had a history of violence, rage and aggression ? anybody ?

(16) at the 10:00 mark, the prosecutor clearly implies that

he believes Jodi (regarding the breakup date with Travis) with no corroborating evidence which leads us to reasonably doubt that

when the prosecutor implies that Jodi is lying in other parts of the trial, he might not be basing it on fact since

in his opening statement, the prosecutor is implying that Jodi is believable without corroborating evidence.

(17)  At the 10:15 mark , again creates reasonable doubt, when the prosecutor changes his mind about the definition of the “end of a relationship”,  when he said

a breakup means moving back to Yreka, and so,

does it raise reasonable doubt when he implied in court that Jodi was still obsessed with Travis after she moved back to Yreka ?

(18)  At the 12:30 mark, the prosecutor again creates reasonable doubt since he implied throughout the trial that Jodi had a history of aggression, violence and rage and so

one would expect rage, violence or aggression either preceding or during the move back to Yreka when Jodi knew the relationship with Travis was over, right people ? but

the prosecutor did not report even one incident of rage, violence or aggression by Jodi preceding or during the move back to Yreka.

(19)  At the 12:55 mark,  the prosecutor again creates reasonable doubt about Jodi’s history of aggression, violence and rage when the prosecutor clearly indicated Jodi’s good character when she did the following even though Jodi knew the relationship with Travis was over and she had to move back to Yreka :

  • (1) not asking Travis for the money to rent the U-Haul in exchange for sex.

  • (2) Trustworthy,  since Travis trusts her to pay him back for the BMW

  • (3) hardworking, since she loads up the U-Haul all by herself without depending on Travis to do it for her .

 

( 20) At the 12:50 mark, again, the prosecutor in his opening statement clearly presented a reasonable doubt regarding Jodi’s history of aggression, violence and rage when

 

Jodi knew the relationship with Travis was over and

 

she had to move over a 1000 miles to Yreka and yet

 

not once in the week she was staying with Travis before the move, not once was there an incident of rage, violence or aggression.


(21) At the 13:00 mark,  is there reasonable doubt that Jodi had  history of aggression, violence or rage as implied by the prosecutor during the trial, when

we know that Travis gave the BMW to Jodi or trusted her to make any kind of payment on the BMW on a monthly basis.

Why trust Jodi to make monthly payments on the BMW unless

Travis did not experience any kind of rage or violence or aggression from Jodi during the months he knew her.


(22) At the 13:50 mark,  can we again reasonably doubt that Jodi had a history of aggression, violence or rage when

 

the prosecutor did not point out any incident of rage, aggression or violence when

 

Jodi did not show any out of control behavior when she was not at fault when

 

her BMW’s transmission was destroyed either due to Travis not telling her how to tow the BMW or the U-Haul company not properly towing her car or giving her the instructions on how a car should be towed


(23) At the 13:55 mark, again we see reasonable doubt when

the prosecutor implied during the trial that Jodi had a history of rage, aggression or violence when

the best time to show out of control or selfish  behavior is to tell Travis that she was not going to pay for the BMW since

the transmission was destroyed and it was not her fault it was destroyed and

she could have easily blamed Travis or the U-Haul company for the destruction of the transmission but

instead of showing out of control behavior, the prosecutor stated that Jodi was willing to keep making payments to Travis for the destroyed BMW.


(24) At the 14:15 mark, is there reasonable doubt  that Travis was very afraid of Jodi  ? as stated by the prosecutor when

Travis was still talking to Jodi when Jodi was over a 1000 miles from Travis and

in the light of the fact that Travis was romantically interested in Mimi Hall and Lisa Andrews



(25) at the 15:00 mark, is there reasonable doubt that Jodi was still interested in Travis when she moved over a 1000 miles from Travis in light of the fact that Travis

he was extremely interested in Mimi Hall who was right there in the same city Travis was in ?


(26) At the 16:00 mark, we see two reasonable doubts in point 26,  26(a) Jodi’s intense sexual attraction to Travis and  26(b)Travis' intense fear of Jodi.

Is there reasonable doubt that Travis was very afraid of Jodi according to the prosecutor (26b) and yet

Travis  kept in touch with Jodi even though she was over a 1000 miles away and even when

Travis invited Marie Hall to join him on his Cancun trip and  even after Marie Hall rejected him as a boyfriend ?

which showed Travis’ extreme attraction to Marie Hall which Jodi knew about and that

is the main reason she moved over a 1000 miles away since

she told the detective she did not want to interfere in Travis’ attraction to Marie Hall (26a).


(27) at the 17:00 mark: is there reasonable doubt that Travis did not invite Jodi on 6/4/08 when

he clearly told Jodi he was addicted to her (5/26/08), when

he clearly told Jodi that she was his whore and she will do as he pleases and when

Travis showed his persistence when

he invited Marie Hall to Cancun even after

she rejected him as a boyfriend and even after

she was dating somebody else ?


(28) at the 17:30 mark: is it reasonable to doubt that Jodi wanted to go to Cancun when

the Cancun trip was just two months away but

she chose to move over a 1000 miles away instead of

staying close to Travis for only  two months in order to persuade him to take her to Cancun


(29) at the 18:45 mark: the prosecutor said

Travis' dog was jumping up and down and excited to see Marie Hall, implying that

the dog was not hurt and yet


in court the prosecutor wanted to admit into evidence that Jodi was cruel to animals when

she squeezed her cat at one time for scratching her.

So is there reasonable doubt that Jodi was cruel to animals when she, according to the prosecutor was

raging on 6/4/08 and yet did not hurt Travis' dog, Napoleon ?


(30) When the prosecutor said (at the 20:30 mark) that

Jodi knew the  access code to Travis’ garage, is it reasonable to doubt that Travis was extremely afraid of Jodi

( as stated by the prosecutor ) when

Travis did not change the access code to his garage when Jodi moved ?


(31) At the   21:00 mark :

is it reasonable to doubt the state’s case about planning when

the prosecutor accused jodi of altering the scene since

true alteration would include cleaning up all the dna and

getting rid of the body since

the car was already conveniently located in the garage and

since Jodi was able to drag the body back to the shower and

over a 6 inch riser without the help of the bed’s comforter, wouldnt it be easier to

roll the body into the comforter,

drag the body to the car and

dump the car in the nearest lake,

get a cab/uber ride back to finish the clean up of the dna and

since none of that happened,

is there reasonable doubt that anything was planned as indicated by the state ?


(32) At the 22:00 mark, do we have reasonable doubt against the state's case ?


We know that Jodi spent over 14 hours at Travis’ home when at anytime she could have been spotted by either

housemates,

visitors,

people calling the house and Travis mentioning that Jodi was over visiting and so

is it reasonable to doubt the state’s case that Jodi planned a killing when housemates were around according to the prosecutor ?


(33) At the 24:30 mark :

When the prosecutor clearly implied that Jodi was the killer,

is it reasonable to assume that

highly prejudicial language against Jodi before deliberations by

the jury could influence the jury in a negative way when

the court, including the judge, the prosecutor, the prosecution and

defense witnesses and even the defense team referred to the scene as

the crime scene or

referred to a crime being committed or

Jodi as the

assailant or

the perpetrator or

murderer, or

killer or

a killing had occurred.


(34)  At the 25:00  time mark:  is  it reasonable to  doubt the prosecutor when he said that
Travis was extremely afraid of Jodi and yet
Travis went to the sink instead of
the exit towards the office downstairs to call 911.
The most probable explanation for Travis going to the sink was implied by Dr Horn when
Dr Horn implied that Jodi might have helped Travis stand at the sink, in other words,

Travis did not think Jodi was a danger to him, and that is why Travis went to the sink, right people ?


(35)   at the 25:00 time mark, is it reasonable that

 

highly prejudicial language should not be used in court and that

 the defense team should have made sure in pre-trial conferences that the word “victim” should not be used to describe Travis since

 if Travis was the victim, the logical conclusion would be that

 the prosecutor is saying that Jodi was the victimizer or the person who rendered Travis to being the victim.


(36) At the 25:05 time mark:

Is it reasonable to doubt that Jodi  planned the killing in the light of the fact that

she tried using a cup to clean up all her DNA from the scene ?

If she actually planned a killing, she would have taken her time to

get rid of all her DNA  with a bucket of soapy water after having

got rid of the body and the car in the nearest lake but

we know none of that happened and so there exists reasonable doubt she planned anything.


(37) At the  25:15 time mark:

Since the prosecutor keeps repeating that Jodi altered the scene, indicating a plan,

is it reasonable to doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when

she used a cup to clean up her DNA from the scene instead of

taking her time with a bucket of soapy water after having got rid of the body and car in the nearest lake ?


(38) At the 25:15 time mark:

Is there reasonable doubt that the defense team did their best in pre-trial conferences that highly prejudicial language would not be allowed in court  since

we know that the  prosecutor used the word “killing”  without qualification, meaning,

the prosecutor did not say “as a result of an alleged self defense claim” and so

we know the prosecutor was trying to influence the jury subjectively before deliberations without objections from the pitiful defense.


(39) At the 25:20 time mark:

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned Travis’ death when

she tried cleaning up her dna from the scene by just

using a cup ? and

did not have any other elaborate way of cleaning up the scene after

getting rid of the body and the car in the nearest lake which did not happen.


(40) At the 26:25 time mark,  the prosecutor is implying that

Jodi got rid of the knife and gun as an indication of planning the death of Travis and so
based on that reasoning since

Jodi did not get rid of the body is it also reasonable to assume (according to the prosecutor’s logic )  that Jodi did not plan the death of Travis ? in other words,

is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis in the light of the fact that she clearly could have got rid of the body but did not ?

(41) At the 26:35 time mark from day one of the trial:

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when the prosecutor tried to reason that  the cleaning of the scene equated to  planning and if so,

where was the plan to clean the sink when water was readily available at the sink and so
by following the prosecutor’s reasoning, cleaning = planning, so since

the  sink was not cleaned  (by following the prosecutor’s reasoning)  equates to no planning, right people ?


(42) At the 26:40 time mark:


Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when it's obvious that Jodi was in a state of panic (which indicates no plan)


when she was able to pour water around boxes in the closet but


not able to pour water in and around the sink when water was readily available from the sink faucets ?



Did the defense team again let Jodi down by not pointing out to the jury  her state  of panic which could have been the result of her promise to Travis when


she promised to preserve Travis' reputation as virginal Mormon by saying she was never there and thus


giving the impression to the public that  Travis was not breaking serious church laws on 6/4/08 ?


(43) At the 27:00 time mark from Day One:

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis as implied by the prosecutor when he said Jodi used a cup to wash the carpet ?

When she could have easily used a bucket of soapy water but did not, which in turn indicates
Jodi’s state of mind, pointing away from planning and rather  pointing towards a state of panic probably due to

her promise to Travis that she will make everybody think she was not there breaking serious church laws  on 6/4/08 in order to  maintain Travis’ virginal Mormon status


(44) At the 27:10 time mark, from Day One:

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when


 the alteration of the scene, example,  trying to hide blood with a transparent weighing scale, indicates a state of panic, rather than a state of planning.


Jodi’s state of panic (which the defense team did not care to explore)


 could have more to do with Jodi’s promise to Travis that she was never there in order make the Mormon leadership think that Travis was not breaking serious church laws on 6/4/08 and so preserving his reputation as a virginal Mormon


(45) At the 27:15 time mark:

Is it reasonable to doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when

she spent time to alter the scene when

the alteration of the scene was not done in a planned way but

in a state of panic which can be seen by

Jodi pouring water around boxes in the closet and yet not pouring water in and around the bloodied sink which had available water,

using a cup instead of a bucket of soapy water and

hiding blood by using a transparent scale.

Why did the defense team not talk about Jodi’s state of mind during the alteration of the scene ?


Why did the defense team not prepare Jodi for trial, knowing that the prosecutor was going to talk about the alteration of the scene ?


And did Travis make Jodi promise that she is not going to tell anybody that he was breaking serious church laws on 6/4/08 and so

the alteration of the scene in a state of panic could very well be in keeping with her promise to Travis so that

the Mormon leadership and the church would not be thinking that Travis was breaking serious church laws on 6/4/08


(46) At the 27:30 time mark,  on Day One of the trial:

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi  calmly planned the death of Travis when

she had the strength of two people (as implied by the prosecutor when he used the word “they” ) which indicates

a state of terror and not planning  which

could have explained the lack of injuries on Jodi but again

the defense did not bring in the right expert to explain Jodi’s state of mind and lack of injuries.


(47) At the 27:40 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

Is it reasonable to doubt the state’s case when

the prosecutor implied that Jodi planned the death of Travis by altering the scene with a towel and yet

the prosecutor was not able to explain Jodi’s state of mind that clearly pointed to a state of panic rather than

a state of planning when

Jodi used a cup instead of a bucket of soapy water to clean up DNA and

Jodi used water around boxes in the closet but did not clean the bloody sink when water was readily available at the sink and

Jodi used a transparent weighing scale to cover blood that could be easily seen through the transparent weighing scale and

Jodi used a towel but did not use the towel to clean the bloody sink that had available water 


(48) At the 27:50 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

The prosecutor continues his theme of scene alteration by saying the bedding was moved by “they” or

by implication that Jodi in her state of panic had the strength of two people since

 I do not actually believe Juan thought there were two or more people involved in the death of Travis.

Why the emphasis on scene alteration ?

Juan is trying to convince the jurors that Jodi planned the death of Travis but 

sadly the defense team did not bring in an expert to explain Jodi’s state of mind which points more to a state of panic than a state of planning since


planning would most certainly involve the movement of the body (dragged)  towards the car ( wrapped in the bedding’s comforter that was being moved ) and

any planning would have involved getting rid of both the body and the car ( conveniently parked in the garage ) in the nearest lake ( Theodore Roosvelt Lake ).



(49) At the 28:00 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


If the defense team did their job and brought in the right expert, could the expert have created reasonable doubt from the statements of the prosecutor, even though


the prosecutor knew his statements were not evidence but his repetition of scene alteration by an entity called "they" was intended to influence the jury and so


could  the expert  have used those statements to create reasonable doubt at least in one jury member ? and so


with the right expert


is there reasonable doubt that Jodi planned the death of Travis when


the prosecutor keeps repeating that “they” altered the scene, implying that


Jodi might not be responsible for the state of mind she was in due to “they” pushing her to alter the scene but

since the expert could have indicated that  the scene alteration points more to a state of panic than a state of planning, for example,


, in this particular point Jodi moved the bedding to the laundry room next to the car but


did not think of moving/dragging  the body ( wrapped in the bedding’s comforter )  to the conveniently parked car in the garage, next to the laundry room for

 eventual disposal into the nearest lake ( Theodore Roosevelt Lake ) along with the car. 

(50) At the 28:30 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

Was the defense team that ineffective or incompetent as to not know what the prosecutor was doing with the jury  or

why did the defense team not bring in an expert to explain to the jury what exactly the prosecutor was doing when

the prosecutor kept repeating to the Jury ( almost like a brainwash ) the scene alteration theme over and over and over and over again and then

the prosecutor topped it off with a very prejudicial word against Jodi by

not calling Travis by his name or Mr Alexander or saying anything neutral like “body”,  or “corpse” or even “alleged victim” but

throughout the trial he kept repeating the word “victim” to the Jury with not one objection from the defense team who could have qualified that word by saying “alleged victim” in order to

remind the jury that Jodi is innocent until proven that the alleged victim was actually a victim and that can only be determined  during deliberations and not before.


(51) At the 28:40 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

Could an expert have created a reasonable doubt in the mind of at least one juror  (when the prosecutor implied planning )  by stating that

Jodi placing the camera in the washing machine was the act of a mind in a state of panic ?

since a rationally minded Jodi or

Jodi with planning on her mind ( as implied by the prosecutor ) would never have put a camera in the washing machine, knowing that “all fingers” would be pointing at her since

she was the only one seen with a camera around Travis.


(52)  At the 29:15 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

We know that the prosecutor,  in doing his best to influence the jury, used the words  “violent attack” to  apply  to Jodi but

would there have been reasonable doubt that Jodi was the attacker  if

the right expert was  brought in by the defense team to show that

Travis was the one plotting an attack on 5/26/08 when he implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive ?


(53)  At the 29:18 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

Is it reasonable to assume that the jury was influenced by the prosecutor before deliberations when

the defense did not ask the Judge to remind the jurors that 

the prosecutor was wrong in stating that the investigators implied that the death of Travis was planned since

according to the prosecutor

the investigators agreed that Travis was violently attacked and so

would this lack of objection by the defense  be an appeal issue at the ninth circuit ?

(54) At the 29:20 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


Is it reasonable to doubt the prosecutor's implication that torture was involved ?


The prosecutor stated “ it took some time “, meaning,

Jodi allegedly took time to

allegedly mount a violent attack on Travis and

by saying “ it took some time” the prosecutor was

implying that torture could have been involved, clearly directed at influencing the jury with that loaded phrase, to which,

the defense, as usual did not rebut with the right expert to show that adrenaline played a crucial role ( in not creating torture ) since

Travis was able to stand at the sink and not try to exit to call 911 downstairs and

how can it be torture since

the entire incident took about 45 seconds,

from the time of the accidental gun shot to the throat slash ?



(55) At the 29:25 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


Is it reasonable to doubt the prosecutor’s case  when the  prosecutor implied that


there was an alleged overkill situation when


the prosecutor stated that Travis was allegedly killed 3 ways ? and could reasonable doubt be present, especially if


the defense team had brought in the right expert to explain why an overkill is not possible due to


(a) All mortal wounds were inflicted within a 45 second time period and can an overkill be done in 45 seconds ? when

about 11 seconds (3 shallow stabs per second)  of the 45 seconds was actually spent defending against Travis’ ferocious attack on Jodi ?  

3 mortal wounds in about 11 seconds does not seem like an overkill (we will detail the wounds sequencing as  Dr Horn testifies at the right timeline).


(b)  Almost all the stabs except for two were about an inch in depth, meaning, no overkill present since


Travis was moving fast during those 11 seconds and if


Travis was moving fast, and we know he was moving fast  not to exit (since most of the stabs were to the front of the body ) and


if Travis was not trying to exit as shown by his stab wounds in front, what was he doing during those 11 seconds ?


He was attacking Jodi since his blood was everywhere, including the toilet room and the weighing scale area, which again indicates the absence of an overkill situation.


(c) We know Travis spent some time at the sink during the 34 seconds (out of the 45 seconds ) when he was not attacking Jodi and


if it was an overkill, why would he be standing at the sink or


how could he be standing in the first place if it was an overkill ?


and according to the implication by Dr Horn, it was possible for Jodi to have helped Travis  to the sink during those 34 seconds, again suggesting


the lack of an overkill situation  and


(d) We know it was not an overkill since


nothing was happening during the 34 seconds of the 45 seconds because


an overkill would mean wounds being inflicted during those 34 seconds, right ? but


nothing was happening during those 34 seconds


and since


the above scenario was not explained by an expert, is it another issue for appeal at the ninth circuit due to


ineffective assistance of counsel ?



(56) At the 29:28 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

Is it reasonable to doubt that the jury was unbiased when

the prosecutor stated that  Travis received  the first mortal wound,  a stab to the chest even though

he probably knew the impossibility of how that kind of wound could have taken place and

yet he told the jury on how that wound could have been inflicted, probably knowing that

the jury was already corrupted by the media bias even before the trial had begun and so

the prosecutor  could practically “sell” even the most improbable scenario to the jury which goes to show

how ineffective the defense was in not challenging even the most improbable of scenarios,

an appeal issue at the ninth circuit


(57)    And at the 29:45 time mark, on Day One of the trial.

We have several reasonable doubts within this point ( reasonable doubt 57)

We have come to the  point in the trial where


it is  obvious the prosecutor is not interested in the truth but rather


interested only in winning by leaving out


facts that raise reasonable doubt involving  the entire scenario he was trying to paint for  the jury and


probably  knowing how corrupt the jury was ( corrupted by the media bias years before the trial started ) ,


the prosecutor  probably knew that he could “sell” anything to the jury.



So what were the reasonable doubts before and during this timeline ? 


that  the prosecutor failed to address  (before and during )  this timeline when


the prosecutor stated  that Travis could stand and walk after getting the alleged mortal stab wound to the chest.



List of reasonable doubts before  and after



the alleged mortal wound to the chest , not addressed by the defense team indicating


ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit:



  • (a) Travis was not staring at Jodi before the alleged stab even though


the last photo of Travis alive, showed him staring at Jodi and


Travis would have known whether an attack was coming



 (b ) Travis arms and legs were not in the way even though


the last photo of Travis showed his arm and leg in the way of a stab.



  (c). Shower stall was  not in the way of  creating a deep enough  stab even though


a deep stab cannot be achieved with the shower stall in the way.



 ( d.) Jodi was not kneeling just before the stab even though


the last live photo showed a kneeling Jodi with the obvious question  and that is,


if she was going to mount an attack, why kneel ?



  ( e )   Photo of the ceiling was not an accident even though


a reasonable person would think it was accidental and a sudden turn of events ( since


Travis did imply on 5/26/08 that Jodi did not deserve to be alive )



  (f.) Travis was trying to get out of the bathroom to call 911 downstairs even though


the evidence showed him in the


toilet room,


in the weighing scale area and


at the sink, indicating, Travis was not trying to exit and possibly on the offensive against Jodi.



(g)  Travis was trying to get out of the bathroom to call 911 downstairs even though


most of the wounds were in his front, indicating,


he was not trying to exit but rather on the offensive against Jodi.



(h)    Jodi (who weighed 120 pounds) prevented Travis from leaving the bathroom even though


Travis was around 200 pounds and into


weight lifting,


boxing,


intense cycling,


wrestling,



relentless workouts and



MMA ( mixed martial arts ).




(i)   Travis was helpless and could not leave the bathroom in

those 62 seconds (when he was apparently alive ) even though


the prosecutor clearly stated


Travis could stand and walk and


even when walking slowly for 62 seconds, it  would  have been more than enough to


reach the office downstairs to call 911 ( since


slow walking covers a distance of 4 feet per second for a total of 240 feet in 60 seconds )





(58) At the 29:50 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


When the prosecutor implied that Travis spent 62 seconds trying to allegedly grab the knife from Jodi,


is there reasonable doubt that Travis wanted to get out of the bathroom to call 911 downstairs

(during those 62 seconds )    when


the prosecutor stated that Travis could stand and walk after the alleged mortal stab to the chest ?


And the reason Travis did not try to go downstairs to call 911 could have been explained by an expert

( which the defense failed to call ) who could have explained Travis’  state of mind on 5/26/08 when


Travis implied that


Jodi did not deserve to be alive and


that rage building up in Travis could explain why Travis did not try to get out of the bathroom to call 911 since


we believe the right expert would have testified that Travis stayed to take revenge on Jodi as per the implication of the statement on 5/26/08 when


Travis implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive.




(59) At the 29:53 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

At this timeline,  the prosecutor stated that Travis could speak, even after allegedly suffering a mortal stab to the chest and

what was Travis capable of speaking of ? was

Travis asking Jodi to go to the office downstairs to call 911 ?  or

did he want revenge on Jodi by saying FKYB ( testified to by Jodi on the stand at another timeline )

revenge that Travis might have planned on 5/26/08 when

he implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive and

herein lies again, ineffective assistance of counsel in not bringing in the right expert to "reason" with

at least one jury member that

it would be reasonable to think that  Travis might have said  FKYB since

Travis did imply on 5/26/08 that Jodi did not deserve to be alive and

in not bringing in the right expert to examine Travis’ state of mind on 5/26/08 and 6/4/08,

Jodi has a reasonable case before  the ninth circuit since

ineffective assistance of counsel is an appeal issue.




(60) At the 30:05 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

Is it reasonable to doubt the state’s case that the throat slash did not have to happen since

Jodi allegedly knew the throat slash was not necessary but as

part of an alleged plan to kill Travis.

Is it also reasonable to doubt the state’s case when

the prosecutor might have implied ( later in the trial ) that

Jodi was behind Travis when the throat slash happened.


So what points could have created reasonable doubt in at least one juror regarding the state’s case against Jodi if the right expert was brought in by the defense ?:


(a)  Travis’ rage on 5/26/08 while Jodi was the one calming down a raging Travis.


(b)  Travis implied on 5/26/08 that Jodi did not deserve to be alive while Jodi was trying to calm down Travis by saying he was the “light to the world”.


(c)    With the right expert ( not brought in by the defense ) could the expert have created reasonable doubt in at least one juror that

it was jodi and not Travis who was raging on 5/26/08 and

it was jodi and not Travis plotting on 5/26/08 and

Travis was the one on 5/26/08 who implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive while

Jodi was the one calming down a raging Travis by saying he was “the light to the world”.



(d)     If Jodi was behind Travis, the autopsy photo and report would have shown a cut straight in or a

cut angled towards the base of the neck and.

in order to conform to the autopsy photo or report, Jodi would have had to twist her hand upwards towards Travis’ jaw and

the question is why twist the hand upwards  ? when  a cut straight in or angled . more logical or easier cut.


(e)      Would the expert ( if brought in by the defense )  have stated that 

in order for  the throat slash to conform to the autopsy report and photos ( according to the discussion in this thread ) Jodi would have had to either face Travis or Jodi was below Travis.


(f) Would the expert ( if brought in by the defense )  have stated that


 the throat slash happened at the 59th second during the 62 seconds ( from the time of the accidental photo of the ceiling ( indicating a sudden turn of events )  to the photo of travis bleeding from the neck on the floor )


(g) Would the expert (if brought in by the defense ) have agreed with the prosecutor when 

the prosecutor implied that Travis was not interested in escaping but rather 

according to the prosecutor, Travis fought Jodi during those 59 seconds,  time he could have used to escape through the exit.


(h) Would the  expert ( if brought in by the defense ) have explained that 

if Travis was trying to escape in those 59 seconds, all of Travis’ blood would be towards the exit instead of

 his blood being everywhere including the toilet area, the weighing scale area, the sink area, meaning, 

Travis was actually trying to get Jodi instead of using those 59 seconds to escape through the exit.


(i) Would the  expert ( if brought in by the defense ) have  explained that 

Travis had ample time to get to his office downstairs to call 911  since 

  in 59  seconds, walking slowly, Travis could have covered a distance of   about 4 feet per second and

in 59 seconds, Travis could have a covered a distance of 236 feet in those 59 seconds, enough distance to get to about 5 houses down the road.


(j) Would the expert ( if brought in by the defense ) have explained why Travis chose to use those 59 seconds to stay and fight Jodi instead of escaping  ?


(k) Would the expert (if brought in by the defense ) have explained that 

the reason Travis chose to stay and fight Jodi instead of 

escaping was due to Travis plotting against Jodi on 5/26/08 when Travis implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive



(61) At the 30:34 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


Is there reasonable doubt (when the prosecutor implies during this timeline) that


Jodi allegedly planned to use the gun, after having used the knife even though


Jodi herself told the detective what a hypothetical plan would look like, meaning,


Jodi had full knowledge of what she would have done if she actually planned a killing and that is


 (a)  The use of gloves


 (b) The use of a gun and no mention of using a knife


  (c) Shooting with the gun repeatedly


But what do we see at the scene ? no stippling and no contact wound and so


do we know of a situation when the person is dead and the use of the gun is over 30 inches away  and not right near the head ?


So there is reasonable doubt that Jodi allegedly planned to use the gun after having used the knife, meaning,


if there was an alleged plan, the alleged plan would have involved


          (a) The use of gloves


          (b) The use of a gun and not a knife


(c) Shooting repeatedly


and an expert would have testified to the above in order to


convince at least one juror that there is reasonable doubt of any plan for the fact that


the hypothetical plan revealed by Jodi to the detective was not carried out and because


the  defense did not bring in an expert to testify to the above, again shows


ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit.


(62) At the 30:45 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


We have the following revealed at the above timeline:


(a)   The prosecutor clearly stated that


both the throat slash and the gunshot were rapidly fatal, meaning, Travis would have died within seconds.


(b)   At the same time,  the prosecutor implied that


Travis was still alive when the gunshot happened since


the prosecutor  did clearly state, the gunshot was fatal, meaning,


Travis died seconds after the gunshot which means Travis was alive before the gunshot.


(c)  If the throat slash was fatal and the gunshot ( according to the prosecutor ) was also fatal,


logic will tell us that


if Travis was going to die seconds after the throat slash but


still alive before the gunshot ( according to the implication by the prosecutor ) then


the gun must have been within reach of Jodi but


according to the prosecutor, Jodi chose the knife over the gun.


(d)  Why did Jodi use the knife over the gun ?


would the right expert ( if brought in by the defense team ) have convinced at least one juror that


the reason Jodi chose the knife over the gun was because


Jodi was not thinking straight, probably because


Travis was still attacking her due to


the implication on 5/26/08 when


Travis implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive.


(e) Could the right expert ( if brought in by the defense ) have convinced at least one juror that


there was no plan to kill Travis and


there existed reasonable doubt that


there was a plan to kill Travis due to


Jodi choosing the knife over the gun, indicating


a state of panic and not a state of planning a killing.



(63) At the 30:47 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi purposely wanted Travis to die when


according to the prosecutor, Jodi slashed travis’ throat and then used the gun on Travis even though the throat slash was rapidly fatal ?


Why is there reasonable doubt that Jodi purposely wanted Travis to die   ?


(a) Jodi had full knowledge of what a plan to kill would look like as she revealed her hypothetical plan to the detective which was:

  • 1. The use of gloves.

  • 2.   The use of a gun but no knife

  • 3.   Repeatedly shooting


(b) none of the hypothetical elements of an alleged plan were present on 6/4/08.


(c) The use of the knife first and then the gun (within easy reach as implied by the prosecutor ) suggests a state of panic and not a state of planning.


(d) The probability of revenge on Jodi by Travis on 5/26/08 (when Travis implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive) could have been the reason Travis attacked Jodi on 6/4/08.


Why did the defense team not bring in an expert to explore all four elements outlined above in order to


create reasonable doubt in at least one juror which suggests ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit.




(64) At the 31:00  time mark, on Day One of the trial.


At this timeline when the prosecutor stated that Travis fought,


is it reasonable to doubt the state’s case that Travis fought in trying to defend himself ?


Was Travis fighting to defend himself or fighting to end Jodi’s life ?


What are the indications that Travis was fighting to end Jodi’s life ?


Could the defense have brought in an expert to explain the bathroom scene ?


What would the defense expert have stated in court  ?


The following are possible indications pointing to Travis fighting Jodi to end her life (note that


the following scenarios take both the state’s case against Jodi and Jodi’s testimony on the stand into  consideration in order to

give a picture that conforms to the autopsy report )  :


(a)  Travis implying on 5/26/08 that Jodi did not deserve to be alive


(b) Travis telling Jodi FKYB after being accidentally shot.


(c)Travis forming a left handed fist, wildly swinging at Jodi as indicated by the cut on the outside of Travis’ left hand as per the autopsy report.


(d) 11 cuts (that were not stabs) show that Jodi was not trying to kill Travis but


was probably in a state of panic, trying to stop Travis from attacking  her.


(e) 11 cuts ( that were not stabs) were oriented in different directions and


since they were just cuts, Jodi could have made those cuts  in about 3-4 seconds ( about 3 cuts per second ) and


in 3-4 seconds Travis would have been moving in different directions in order to attack Jodi.


(f) 16 shallow stabs ( the deepest was 1 ¾ inch ) shows again that


Jodi was not trying to kill Travis but


trying to stop him from attacking her.


(g) 16 shallow stabs also show a sense of urgency especially when


about 9 of them were oriented in the same direction ( on Travis’ back ) when


Travis was scrambling to get the gun from the slippery floor (after having knocked it out of Jodi's hand ) and


Jodi had no choice but to get the knife since


she did not know whether she had time to escape down the hallway before being shot.


(h) 16 shallow stabs ( except for about 9 ) were oriented in different directions showing that

in about 5 seconds ( 3 shallow stabs per second ) Travis was moving fast in different directions in attacking Jodi.


(i) Of all the stabs, only one was deep ( 3 ½ inches deep) possibly happening at the same time or

a second after the gun clicked/jammed in Travis’ right hand while

Jodi got lucky  in a stab ( in a state of utter terror )  that went 3 ½ inches deep into Travis’ chest, cutting the vein near the heart.


(j) Dr Horn stated that somebody might have held Travis at the sink and this possibly happened during the time that

Jodi felt sorry for Travis after he had stopped attacking her and was on all fours, bleeding out.

Jodi might have urged Travis to go with her to the hospital since

she probably thought calling 911 would be too late but

Travis lingered at the sink ( probably contemplating a revenge on Jodi ) before he spotted the knife down the hallway,

thrown there by Jodi when Travis had stopped attacking Jodi after 9 seconds and  after 27 wounds ( about 3 wounds per second).


.(k) While Travis lingered at the sink in order  to contemplate his revenge on Jodi, he spotted the knife down the hallway and

due to his hubris and

not wanting a girl to win whom he considered to be his whore,  

Travis lunged for the knife not realizing he was weaker than Jodi (at this point ) and

Jodi being one second quicker got the knife first and finding herself below Travis, slashed upwards.

The last wound was the throat slash that was 1 ½ inches deep and even though it was  a shallow cut and not a stab,

the vein and artery in the throat are very close to the surface and easily cut especially with a sharp knife.



(l) Since Travis’ blood was everywhere:

in the toilet room,

the weighing scale area and

all the way down the hallway and

all of it was spilled in about 9 seconds ( 27 wounds at the rate of about 3 wounds per second ) it took Travis 9 seconds to attack Jodi and

he failed at killing Jodi (probably due to out of control anger and irrational thoughts after the gunshot) and

when Travis failed to kill Jodi and was bleeding out,

Jodi felt sorry for Travis, at which time, she wanted to take him to the hospital since

she probably thought calling 911 would be too late.


(m) If Travis was not trying to kill Jodi, you would see all the blood in one direction towards the exit in order to call 911 and

almost all knife wounds would be on his back if he was escaping down the hallway to call 911.

Travis had at least 45 seconds to walk down to his office to call 911 but

instead of using those 45 seconds to go downstairs to call 911 ( after the accidental shot ) Travis chose to remain in the bathroom to attack Jodi instead.


((n)) The last significant wound which is neither a stab nor a cut but

a contusion appears on the right side of Travis’ right knee which conforms to Jodi’s testimony when she stated

Travis lunged like a linebacker towards her (possibly slipping on the wet floor ) and

Travis possibly turned towards his left after realizing that the gun went off accidentally and

in the process of trying to avoid the shot, Travis turned towards the left and

bruised the right side of his right knee ( as per the autopsy report )  as he fell to the floor while grabbing jodi and

the gun being knocked out of Jodi’s hand and so

since the defense did not bring in the right expert to explore all points indicated above in order to

create reasonable doubt in at least one jury member that

Travis fought Jodi to save his life, we once again have

ineffective assistance of counsel , an appeal issue at the ninth circuit.



And so far we have:


11 shallow cuts ( not stabs including the 1 ½ inch deep throat slash )

16 shallow stabs

1 deep  3 ½ inch stab.



Summary of wounds so far:

(a)    1/4 inch cut (not a stab )  to the area above the left forehead.

(b)   2 inch cut (not a stab )  running at a 45 degree angle (to the base of the horizontal hairline ) 

in the lower left quadrant of the back of the head.

(c)   2 inch cut ( not a stab) running almost at a 90 degree angle to the cut in (a) above but

located in the top right quadrant of the back of the head.

(d)  1 ¼ inch shallow  stab (right below the right ear).

(e)     ¼ inch shallow stab on the right side of the neck, right above

the jaw line.

(f) 1 inch horizontal shallow stab located at the back of the neck on the left side about two inches below

the hairline.

(g) 1 ¼ inch shallow stab at a 45 degree angle to  the base of the neck and located in front of the neck and

in the  lower left quadrant.

(h) 1 ½ inch  deep cut ( not a stab ) and  6 inches long across the throat.

(i) 1 inch shallow horizontal stab located  in the upper paramidline (about 4 inches below the neckline ),

in the middle of the chest and at a 90 degree angle to the imaginary vertical line (that divides the body in half)...

(j) 1 ½ inch slanted deep stab  with a approximate depth of 3 ½ inches penetrating a vein

( superior vena cava ) near the base of the heart and

the position of the stab is at a 45 degree angle to the imaginary vertical line (that divides the body in half) with

the top edge of the stab in the middle of the chest and

the bottom of the edge pointing in the direction of the right elbow…

(k) 2 inch  horizontal  cut ( not a stab ) right below the right nipple, ending about three  inches away from

the stab to the vein…

(l) 1 ¾ inch slanted shallow stab at a 45 degree angle to the imaginary vertical line

( that divides the body in half ) that does not penetrate the abdominal cavity and

the shallow stab is located in the upper abdomen,

with a lower edge pointing towards the left forearm and

the upper edge making  the 45 degree angle with the imaginary vertical line…

(m) 2 very shallow and parallel cuts ( not stabs )  measuring up to 1 ¾ inches in length located in

the  front right shoulder slanted with the upper edge of both cuts pointing towards the

right side of the neck…

((n)) 1 inch shallow stab at the base of the back of the neck making a 75 degree angle with

the imaginary vertical line  ( that divides the body in half ) with the top edge higher than

the lower edge that makes the 75 degree angle described above.

(o) 9 shallow stabs ranging from ¾ inches to 1 ½ inches all oriented in the same direction towards the

  right shoulder, at a 45 degree angle to the imaginary vertical line ( that divides the body in half ) except for

one that has an upper edge pointing towards the left shoulder and

a lower edge almost touching the imaginary line mentioned above …

(p) one 1/4  inch nick  along the side of Travis’  right thumb…

(q) 1 ½ inch cut (not stab)  below Travis’ left thumb…

(r)  1 ¾ inch cut ( not stab )  in between the left thumb and left index finger…

(s) 1 inch cut ( not stab ) to the outside of the left thumb.




(65) At the 31:38  time mark, on Day One of the trial.

At this timeline, the prosecutor uses the word “presumably" when describing Travis fighting for his life, and

would the prosecutor have used the word “presumably” if he was certain that

Travis was actually fighting for his life ? and so

with the right expert ( if called in by the defense )  what  indicators would the expert have pointed out to the jury and at least convinced one jury member  that

Travis might have been trying to end Jodi’s life instead of fighting for his life and

could the following have been the indicators ?

(a) Travis implying on 5/26/08 that Jodi did not deserve to be alive.

(b) Travis saying FKYB after Jodi shot him accidentally.

(c) Blood everywhere including the toilet area, weighing scale area, the sink area and all the way down the hallway indicating that

Travis might have stayed to fight jodi instead of trying to exit to call 911 downstairs.

(c) Travis had at least 45 seconds to get downstairs to call 911 if we go by Jodi's version of events (when the shot came first) and

Travis had a full 62 seconds to get downstairs to call 911 if we go by the prosecutor's version of the stab coming first and

the fact that Travis stayed  under both scenarios and not tried to get help downstairs by calling 911, shows that

Travis might have stayed to fight Jodi in order to end her life instead of

trying to go downstairs to call 911.

(d) If Travis was actually trying to go downstairs to call 911, almost all the  wounds  would have been to  his back as he was trying to exit but


the fact that there were wounds on the front of Travis’ body  shows that he might have stayed to fight or even end jodi’s life.

and because the above were not pointed out by the defense (by calling in the right expert),

do we again by ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit ?



(66) At the 31:45  time mark, on Day One of the trial.


This summary (reasonable doubt 66) assumes the findings of a hypnotherapist if

the defense brought in the right hypnotherapist to help Jodi with her memory problems including

"the fog" she found herself in after Travis said FKYB.


and the fact that the defense did not bring in the right expert to prepare Jodi for trial, once again

shows ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit.


Could the hypnotherapist have created reasonable doubt in at least one juror that 


travis was extremely afraid of Jodi (according to the prosecutor in the course of the trial )  by


pointing out to at least one juror  that Travis was not afraid of Jodi when


 Travis was  willing to go to the sink instead of trying to exit to call 911   and if so,


during this timeline, the prosecutor could not explain why Travis would be going to the sink instead of


trying to exit and calling 911 if Travis was truly afraid of Jodi unless


Travis was not afraid of Jodi as implied by Dr Horn when he used the word " unless" which means,


there was a possibility that somebody might have held Travis at the sink and so  


could the hypnotherapist have suggested to at least one juror that 


the person holding Travis at the sink as implied by Dr Horn  (when he used the word "unless" )  and

that person


could have been Jodi and according to the hypnotherapist, Jodi might have  urged Travis  to go with

her to the hospital since


Jodi might have thought (according to the hypnotherapist )  that

calling 911 would be too late ?  and so, we have again,


ineffective assistance of counsel in not calling in the right expert to explain the movement to the sink by

Travis and the possibility that


Jodi might have helped Travis to the sink in conforming to Dr Horn's implication that 


somebody might have held Travis at the sink which in turn would have given reasonable doubt to

at least one juror that


 Travis was extremely afraid of Jodi and so


ineffective assistance of counsel  in not bringing in the right expert  (who would have  helped Jodi with

her memory problems and "the fog" she found herself in after Travis said FKYB) and so 


 in not preparing Jodi for  trial, we have ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit.






(67) At the 32:00 time mark, on Day One of the trial,  the prosecutor says Travis was able to stand up inside the shower and then go over to the sink.

Is there reasonable doubt that Travis was stabbed in the shower ? when the following happened:

The impossibility of a stab near the base of the heart with the following obstacles in the way

1(a) Travis’ arms were in the way

1(b) Travis’ legs were in the way.

1(c) The shower stall wall in the way of the momentum needed for a deep stab.

1(d) Travis staring at Jodi and probably knowing an alleged attack was coming.


2. The prosecutor implying that Jodi had a camera in her hand while the alleged stab was taking place since

the accidental photo of the ceiling was taken after the alleged stab.


3. Travis walking to the sink shows that he was not in fear of showing his back to Jodi



(68) At the 32:05 time mark, on Day One of the trial,

is there reasonable doubt that Travis was stabbed in the shower when the prosecutor implied that

Jodi had both the knife and camera in her hand while Travis was standing at the sink and

why would Travis stand at the sink showing his back towards Jodi if he was extremely afraid of Jodi (according to the prosecutor) and

why would Jodi still hold onto the camera (due to the accidental photo of the ceiling ) after having allegedly stabbed Travis when she could have easily put down the camera before the alleged stabbing of Travis ?



(69) At the 32:25 time mark on day one of the trial:

Is there reasonable doubt that Travis first went to the sink before fighting Jodi ( as implied by the prosecutor ) when

Dr Horn stated on the stand that somebody might have helped Travis stand at the sink ? and if

Jodi did help Travis to the sink, how could she be planning the death of Travis ? and

why would Travis go to the sink unless he felt that Jodi was not a threat to him ?



(70) At the 32:27 time mark, on Day One of the trial.


Is there reasonable doubt when the prosecutor implied that Travis was afraid of Jodi and yet

Travis was able to stand at the sink with his back towards Jodi and yet

Travis stayed to fight Jodi instead of exiting the bathroom to call 911, which gives us reason to believe that

Travis was not afraid of Jodi and its reasonable to believe that he wanted the knife from Jodi in order to use it against her



( 71) At the 32:30 time mark, on Day One of the trial.

Is there reasonable doubt that Travis got stabbed in the shower, tried grabbing the knife from Jodi and then walked over to the sink ? as per what the prosecutor is trying to say to the jury ?

In light of the following:


  • (a) The alleged stab in the shower which was practically impossible as per the points raised in this thread.


  • (b) Use of the knife would have resulted in the camera taking a photo of the ceiling from the floor instead of 3 or 4 feet off the floor which indicates an attempt to catch a falling camera and why would Jodi want to catch a falling camera if her plan was to use the knife against Travis ?


  • (c) Travis did not try to exit and instead went to the sink, showing his back to Jodi, indicating that Travis did not think Jodi was a danger as confirmed by Dr Horn who stated that somebody might have helped Travis to the sink, which points to

  • no planning since an alleged plan would have resulted in Travis trying to exit to call 911 if he thought that Jodi was in attack mode.


(72) At the 32:32 time mark, on Day One of the trial.


Is there reasonable doubt that the wounds on Travis’ hands were defensive wounds ?

In light of the following facts derived from the autopsy report:

(a) The wounds were cuts and not stabs indicating a defense against an attack from Travis since stabs would indicate an attack by Jodi.

(b) Except for a ¼ inch nick, there were no cuts on the right hand indicating that Travis might have had the gun in his right hand as Jodi was pushing his right hand upwards to prevent being shot.

(c) A cut on the outside of the left hand could indicate Travis forming a fist in order to punch Jodi or worse.



(73) At the 32:33 time mark, on Day One of the trial.

On one hand, the prosecutor clearly stated that Travis was extremely afraid of Jodi and then on the other hand says that Travis was defending himself against Jodi.
If Travis was extremely afraid of Jodi, you would expect all the blood towards the exit as he would have tried to flee the scene.
If Travis was defending himself, why did Dr Horn say that somebody might have helped prop up Travis at the sink ?

Why did the defense not point out both points ( above ) to the jury , again showing us ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit


(74) At the 32:45 time mark, on Day One of the trial.


Since it took almost 62 seconds for the throat slash to happen and the prosecutor stated Travis was extremely afraid of Jodi, why did Travis not use the 62 seconds to get downstairs to call 911 ?

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi was attacking Travis in those 62 seconds or was she defending herself in those 62 seconds in the light of what Travis implied on 5/26/08 when Travis implied that Jodi did not deserve to be alive ?



(75) At the 32:50 time mark, on Day One of the trial.


As alleged by the prosecutor, Jodi followed Travis around for 62 seconds after the first alleged stab.

Is there reasonable doubt that Jodi was attacking Travis by following Travis around in those 62 seconds or

according to the blood evidence, is it possible that Travis chose to stay in the bathroom during those 62 seconds and chose to attack Jodi ? since

his blood was in the toilet room,

the weighing scale area and

the sink and not all towards the exit in order to call 911 downstairs.



(76) At the 32:59 time mark, on Day One of the trial:

When the prosecutor made his opening statements and throughout his opening and through the 32:59 timeline he used the word “they”.

It is obvious the prosecutor used the word “ they “ because the prosecutor himself was not sure about the state of mind of Jodi, especially after

Travis said FKYB and use of the word “they” could explain Jodi’s altered state of mind, in other words, the prosecutor seems to give reasonable doubt that Jodi was the attacker and “they” being Jodi was not herself after Travis said FKYB

The defense could have pointed out the word “they” to the jury but the defense  did not.

The defense could have stated to the jury that the prosecutor himself was not sure whether Jodi was herself or “somebody else” due to her altered state of mind and hence the word “they” that the prosecutor kept repeating in his opening statement.

So once again we have reasonable doubt that Jodi was the attacker since Jodi became “somebody else” in trying to defend herself after Travis said FKYB and

this was  not pointed out to the jury by the defense, indicating ineffective assistance of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit


(77) At the 33:11 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


According to the prosecutor Jodi used the gun after choosing the knife.

If Jodi’s intention was to use the gun, why not use it in the first place instead of the knife ? to which the prosecutor had no explanation since trying to explain it would have revealed no plans to kill Travis but instead a moment of passion (after Travis said FKYB) since Jodi had no choice but to defend herself (without a plan).

The prosecutor’s allegation that Jodi shot an already dead Travis due to rage has a great degree of reasonable doubt since the state’s own psychologist testified that Jodi scored much lower than the general population on anger, hostility, aggression, violence or rage and

if Jodi was actually raging on 6/4/08, she would have let the camera fall to the floor instead of

trying to catch it as indicated by the accidental photo taken 3 or 4 feet off the floor and so we have another reasonable doubt that Jodi was raging on 6/4/08.

If Jodi’s intention was to drag the body  eventually  to the shower in order to clean up any of her DNA on the body, then why create a further mess by allegedly shooting an already dead Travis at the sink instead of using the gun when the body was already dragged into the shower ? and so another reasonable doubt that Travis' death was planned.


Comparing both the prosecutor’s allegations of a plan and Jodi’s hypothetical plan that was revealed to the detective, we can see that Jodi’s hypothetical plan has a greater degree of logic.

Jodi told the detective that if she was planning the death of Travis, she would have used gloves and

repeatedly shot Travis in the shower in order to create the least mess and the ability to clean up the body in the shower.

Jodi's knowledge of a  hypothetical plan which was not carried out on 6/4/08,  should have given the jury reasonable doubt of an actual plan to kill Travis which the defense did not present to the jury and in turn clearly shows ineffective assistance  of counsel, an appeal issue at the ninth circuit.



(78) At the 33:35 time mark, on Day One of the trial:


At the above timeline, the prosecutor stated that Jodi stuck the gun into Travis’ temple and shot him.

Two points the prosecutor misled the jury on and those two points by the prosecutor were disputed by Dr Horn and the autopsy photos

  • The temple is  located on the side of the head behind the eye between the forehead and the ear but Travis was accidentally shot on the forehead and not the temple.

  • Travis was not accidentally shot closer than about 3 feet according to  Dr Horn the medical examiner who testified that the gun discharged at a distance of three feet or more since discharging the gun closer would have produced stippling at the gunshot wound area.

The prosecutor probably knew that misleading the jury regarding the gunshot would be fine since the jury was already tainted as evidenced by the biased jury questions before deliberations.

We again have  ineffective assistance of counsel when the defense did not challenge the prosecutor about misleading the jury when the prosecutor stated that Jodi allegedly shot the already dead Travis by pressing the gun to the temple of the dead Travis.

Also, the defense did not bring the detective’s interrogation of Jodi into evidence which if brought into evidence, would have  clearly shown that Jodi had knowledge of a hypothetical plan (wearing gloves and shooting Travis repeatedly in the shower) but since the plan was never carried out, it should have created reasonable doubt within at least one juror that Jodi planned the death of Travis.




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